Stumbled over that last week. There is a company where I buy nearly all my computer stuff from, and I'm a customer for more than 20 years.
I wanted to order parts for a high-end PC, but simply could not add the motherboard to the shopping cart. Everything else was already in there. I called them, and they asked me if I used Firefox. And they told me in no uncertain terms that Firefox was dead and would no longer be supported for "safety and security reasons", I should use Chrome or Edge instead.
If their site is too stupid to cope with Firefox, why the heck does it not tell me about this upfront, e.g. when I try to enter an item into the shopping cart?
132Privacy is like the least important reason I use Firefox. With Microsoft Edge and Opera being based on Chromium now there are just so many of them. With Chromium essentially becoming the de facto standard because everyone uses it that means Google can ignore web standards and just do whatever they want.
101Perhaps I'm missing something but I've been a Firefox user for years- at work and home. I have yet to find a website that misbehaves or under-performs. Mayyybe a few sites here and there a fractions of a second slower or have slightly less acceleration or something that I'm just not noticing?
Without Firefox and its ??forks?? like LibreWolf, the internet would be a total Chromium monopoly at this point, wouldn't it? That would be bad..
42Chromium could be spying on you, as it communicates with google servers. You should use ungoogled-chromium, and hope they did a good job...
spoiler
or just use Firefox
38I just prefer the UI of Firefox
24There is no privacy on chromium, it phones home to Google a lot and those communications are encrypted so you will never really know what data is being sent but assume Google can link everything you do in Chromium to you.
Users who think they are "ungoogling chromium" are fooling themselves.
All the commercial browser reeleases like Mullvad browser, Brave or duckduckgo browsers are just window dressing.
Firefox or its children really are the only option.
14Firefox's supremacy 😆
11Iceweasel: Firefox!? Them's fighting words!
9Can someone make a comment on if and how chromium development changed since Edge uses it? I often hear that Google dictates chormium dev, but what about MS? Are they doing dev work, too?
But sadly, in privacy matters their interests are likely aligned, so that we can expect to be it further hollowed.
9Vivaldi is nice.
7This is A+
6Pleading ignorance here and genuine questions. Is anyone, within the context of browsers able to define privacy and what it is that FF does that is superior to other say, Chromium based browsers? And what the real world effects are of not using FF for the purpose of privacy? Either reply or point to sources on the Web would be much appreciated.
5No oldies remember Camino? It was such a great browser!
2I was a die hard Firefox fan since it was Netscape navigator. But their refusal to adopt PWAs will always keep me one foot in edge/chrome.
I’ve been flirting a bit with Opera GX because of the sidebar, hard ram/cpu limits, and “my flow” feature. super handy when you’re moving between max and windows all day. But it also doesn’t do PWAs so that’s still super annoying.
On Mac I really do like safari. But they don’t have it for windows so I guess I’m just doomed to use multiple browsers.
2But it doesn't though, not really. There are quite a few things which are still sent back as telemetry. One hell of alot better than chrome but it's still watching you. It's still not respecting your privacy.
There are some privacy respecting browser out there but they're quite inconvenient to use. I haven't found a real reasonable middle ground personally, but altering librewolf or the mulvad browser to keep you signed in has been nice enough for me
To expand:
Here's a usefull tool: https://ffprofile.com/
Firefox based privacy browser: https://mullvad.net/en/browser
To clarify why this is important, this data can be de-anonymized where anonymized and be used for fingerprinting your internet usage. If you're concerned about privacy this is a pretty big red flag, especially if your government is getting this information, which many have and will be able to in the future.
Fingerprinting isn't a perfect system and can incorrectly flag innocent people. Or, if you unfortunately life in the wrong place, whether true or not being flagged as gay/trans or the wrong political party can very much harm you. Texas has asked the government for a list of trans people inside their state, which was denied, what happens when it isn't? what happens when it's not just trans people, and is instead your group? Caution is king.
2I recommend ungooogled chromium
2I switched to Arc recently and kind of hate myself for it, but it has improved my browsing experience too much to go back to FF.
Stay strong out there.
1I've tried a bunch of time but I feel going back to Chrome.
I'm currently trying or Oprah for the first time.
1This is not true. Ghey explicitely tell you they gather your data on their website Use Vanadium (by GrapheneOS team), Bromite. Brave has less trackers than popular browsers also
0I switch back and forth between Chrome and Firefox but always end up sticking with Chrome for longer:
- screensharing via Firefox freezes the entire computer
- FF sync is too slow between devices
- FF does not allow VOD streaming above 720p (except YT obviously; Chrome works up to 4k!)
- both are memory hogs but at least you get responsiveness in Chrome
- FF on Android does not support tablet layout
- FF on Android keeps refreshing pages when changing tabs
- FF password manager on Android does not work when needed outside the browser in 99% of cases
I wish I could switch to Firefox
-1I've used "Firefox" since Mozilla 1995 0.x release. It's great software, but it has issues. I use Brave as primary these days, because the entire internet is QA'd with Chromium, and FIrefox just hits too many issues, even on the most recent versions. I use Firefox as secondary every day though too. I need multiple browsers to separate o365 AD creds.
-1I was looking for the best all-rounder for Android and Windows and after watching some videos and checking privacytests.org I landed on Brave
-2I'll keep avoiding firefox as long as they keep pushing weird decision with each update, the latest one being forcing "pocket recommendation" on the new tab page, even if the built-in (that is, you can't remove it) pocket extension is disabled. Sure, I can go look for the new advanced parameter to disable every time, but why pull this shit in the first place.
-3how exactly does chrome not respect my privacy?
and i don't just mean "because it's google and google is an ad company". what specifically is it sending to some internet server that firefox doesn't? both the firefox and address bars send what you type into them to a search provider. as near as i can tell, firefox's committment to privacy is to say "we protect your privacy" while doing all the same stuff that chrome does.
-3Brave + privacyBadger is about the best you can do. If you turn all the features on it anonymizes your plugins and screen res returns enough that you can't be identified by a unique configuration.
It supports TOR for private browsing natively.
I don't trust them more than Mozilla, but the do a better job at keeping my browsing habits out out the hands of my ISP and the sites I visit.
-4God this community is so pathetic
-4Debloated Brave
-4Appearently brave is the most privacy focused browser. At least according to this paper from 3y ago.
https://www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs/browser_privacy.pdf
Edit: guys I know that Brave is not the best browser and I wouldn't recommend it, but I haven't seen studies or in depth articles about technical details of privacy concerns.
And I'm not being sarcastic, I wanna see them so I can make a more informed opinion.
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