Look, the point is that you can't believe the thousands of videos of Israel geocoding people. And you can't believe the dozens (or more) videos of them saying it on their local television talkshows. It's simply too complicated, you fucking nitwits. Now tow the party line; we have a genocide to help them complete.
50I mean, it is a complex issue, and there are two sides of it. One of the sides is doing a genocide. The other side makes attacks when they can, killing much smaller numbers. If suddenly the power balance switched, I'm not convinced Hamas wouldn't go for doing a genocide.
What actually matters here is that nobody should be doing genocides, both sides have reason to say, "they started it!", and it's not going to end until both sides can accept that yes, shit happened, bad things were intentionally done by people, and everyone needs to move on, or there will be another round, and another, and another, and another...
41"We understand this is a hard one to swallow, but the
Mossad handlersAIPAC lobbyists told us that the Palestinians all spontaneously killed themselves after blowing up their homes. On the one hand, that's obviously bullshit. But on the other, they give us SO MUCH MONEY."21Complex, maybe?
Two sides? Sure. There are the people getting killed by genocide, and the side committing genocide.
So they might be half right?
14Search the web for “maximize Palestinian casualties”
7This comment section proves the meme so cleanly lol - anything to avoid calling it genocide and anything to give Israel a pass for doing it.
7In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group... - UN definition
Consensus on the matter seems complex and I'm not an expert, but what I believe is the issue is the exact definition. The grey area lies with the intent of Israel, as they state they are aiming at Hamas military targets while actually having (bizarre levels of) collateral damage.
But by this definition, one could mass murder any number of people at all times, as long as they have not spoken out their intent to do so. It's just word play at that point.
5They are just racist and hate Arabs and Muslims
4"BoTh SiDeS"
4When I think of Western Liberals, I think of people like myself who call it a genocide and are against the genocide. I think a lot of western liberal Jews feel this way as well.
Then I realize that many of those who call it a genocide are echoing genocidejoe right along side the far right.
Sure, any support of genocide whatsoever is inexcusable. At the same time, I think a second Trump presidency would be very bad for the world.
Is it just that the far right anti Biden camp has seized this opportunity to turn liberals away from Biden, or are people on the left so clouded by fury that they don’t see that any vote which is not for Biden is a vote for Trump?
At the risk of committing a ‘no true Scotsman’ fallacy, I don’t think it’s the liberals who are ‘both sidsing’ this issue.
2I have a question. I am partly ethnically Jewish and have not educated myself on this conflict. I haven't done that because I figured I am too biased to form an option on this, despite not feeling particularly Jewish. I am also very concerned and fearful about Islam because of their views on LGBT people and notice that when Islam spreads, even in mild or moderate form, often it results in a certain percentage becoming radicalized, thereby harming LGBT people. There are zero Muslim dominant countries that are nice to LGBT people. That being said, by doing nothing, am I condoning genocide? I could donate to an organization that is non-political like donating food to the people in Palestine who are supposedly starving through an organization. I've done nothing and have been somewhat purposefully ignorant of the facts because I know they are all so awful, and I am often dealing with depression anyway. I'm also not doing well financially so whatever I do and think may not matter. Is there a way to become educated on this topic with unbiased facts that aren't influenced by religious ideas? How many Palestinian people are facing genocide and is this hyperbole? Am I the same as the people who just ignored the Holocaust in World War II? I also know the Palestinian elected Hamas which wanted to destroy Israel completely, which provides a safe sanctuary to Jewish people, and that the Jewish people made it hard for Palestinians to have many freedoms through oppression or harsh regulation even before the attack that happened when Palestinian terrorists/warlords/protestors killed a lot of people including children. I don't have an opinion on things and am worried my ignorance is evil. I feel like this meme is partly about people like me and perhaps it should change me.
1The events of October 7th, 2023, must also be addressed, or else any morally-superior pronouncements are going nowhere either fast or slow, any speed you choose is equally pointless.
The victims of Palestine are cannon fodder for both Hamas and Israel, both sides have made each hate the other with unfiltered rage.
-4Very few outlets will show a graph of the casualties in Gaza nowadays.
But if you're interested in this beyond the propaganda angle here's a link to the casualties from the UN: https://unric.org/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2024/04/Gaza_casualties_info-graphic_19_April_2024_1.pdf
Note how the graph is flattening. If this were a genocide, as the "perpetrators" gain control of more territory and eliminate enemy combatants you'd expect the casualties to increase (since there's no one there to protect people) not flatten out as we're seeing. Also note the Palestinian casualties being reported includes combatants (valid targets in a war) a support personnel (also valid targets in a war).
Also the UN has indicated there it's likely some casualties have been counted multiple times. It's a war after all, so we can't expect these numbers to be 100% accurate.
The numbers are consistent with similar urban combat operations elsewhere. Sadly, in these kinds of conflicts, civilians often bear the brunt, especially in conflicts where there's combatants that don't wear uniforms. Also, Israel was not prepared to handle humanitarian issues in a drawn out campaign like this because Israel generally doesn't do these kinds of campaigns. Hamas did know this war was going to occur well in advance but didn't prepare for helping their civilian population. One suspects that may be because Hamas benefits from the suffering of the Palestinian people.
Sorry for the interruption. Now back to your regularly scheduled TikTok propaganda.
-13Yasmine said that?!? This changes everything. I don't form opinions until it's in a tweet and reposted somewhere else.
The most important part is the argument must have a punch line. I can't do anything until I hear the punch line.
Edit:
In fact, memes themselves have lost all appeal. I can see it already, future generations will look at memes like we look at our parents joke books.
-16Islamists calling for a genocide for Israel are idiots. And so are the demonstrations.
It’s extremely sad, that Palestinians are dying and suffer so much. There should be more humanitarian aid and the war should stop. But calling to arms and supporting hamas is a no-go for me.
You cannot justify actions to others, just by acting like they did. It’s logical nonsense, you are basically like what you hate then.
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