Study finds a quarter of all webpages from 2013 to 2023 no longer exist
Study finds a quarter of all webpages from 2013 to 2023 no longer exist
The internet never forgets. Except, y'know, when it does.
Hosting sites costs money.
Sometimes, people run out of money.
Sometimes, money runs out of people (ie people die).
My personal site was always just for me and my friends, but when it became too costly of an endeavor to keep hosting, I let it go.
A small business that goes completely out of business doesn't need their website to exist 10 years later, now do they?
61This isn't just personal sites. Large blogs (Gawker), whole news sites (Vice), and other content no longer exist, because cynical corporate parasites bought them out. Newspapers that exist from before the internet era are arguably better archived on microfilm, Google Books etc, than today's news. The Internet Archive and other sites exist, but they are nonprofit and can't keep up with the sheer scale of content being pulled down. Also strongly disagree with your assertion that some sites don't need to be saved. The whole point of archiving is that we often can't judge what is important to future generations
48I understand all that, but I can almost positively assure you that my shitposting isn't super important to have saved, other than for personal reasons. I have a backup of my site from the time, I've held onto it, for sure. But after I die, I'd really rather it stop existing, just like I do.
And we really don't need to remember every business that started and failed within two years. I certainly don't see a great reason to document my dad's shitty used car salesman antics of my youth with his own business. It's honestly also best forgotten by time. There's more worthwhile and prolific con-men to write about and keep documentation thereof.
And frankly, if I don't want my past to be on the internet forever, that should be my choice. Just like in the past, pre-internet-and-computers, if I didn't want to share my writings with anyone before I died, I could burn them properly to make sure they were lost to time.
My original intent was literally meant as a Devil's Advocate counter-point to the point of the article. Sure, we can't tell from where we sit what's important to the future... so maybe trying to save everything is a fools errand to begin with, since we don't know what's worthwhile to save? Saving literally everything for the sake of the future seems ill-considered. Once again, I assure you my shitposting with my friends really isn't all that important culturally or socially.
EDIT: Also this is a cute philosophical 180 degree turn from 14 years ago when numerous scientists, philosophers, and organizations were positively up-in-arms and scared about the prospect of the internet meaning "the end of forgetting" and not being able to move on from your past and grow as a person because your past life on the internet would always come back to haunt you.
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/magazine/25privacy-t2.html
Previously, we panicked because everything was going to be online forever!!!! Ohhh spooky, dangerous!!
Now, we're panicked because nothing is going to be online forever!!!! Ohhh toospooky, dangerous!!
Oh, humans, never stop humaning.
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Interesting it’s only cost me about 40 dollars a month to host a bunch of sites right now. I think I can consolidate them down to one server and be about 10-15 bucks a months. I am not hosting any pictures right now thoug, which can add up
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For over 15 years, I oversaw the technical aspect of the biggest weblog in my country. I took great professional pride in making sure that every time we migrated to a new cms, links would keep on working, even when the external pages they linked to were since long dead.
A couple of years ago I left. Last year they changed cms once more. Now all the links are dead, and can best be found through through archive. The content was ported to the new cms, but the links weren't. So even though the content is in the database, it's just inaccessible by its old url.
Such a shame.
54You were doing the God's work
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Yeah, that's the internet for you. Anything you want to stay around will vanish someday, and anything you want gone will be here forever.
46We ultimately don't know what is going to survive the digital revolution. I wonder what's going to be lost to time and what historians and archeologists will be able to recover and view centuries or millennia in the future.
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Shout-out to Archive.org for all the awesome work they do to backup what they can from the internet.
(Especially when some stack overflow answer to a question is just a link to some website that has either changed or no longer exists).
39best website to use allongside wayback machine to see how websites looked back in the good ol days.
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I learned this a while ago: If you find something interesting save it localy.
21Saved this comment to notepad in My Documents, thank you 🙏
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Would anyone expect that they were anyway?
Even if you consider
- sites getting bought up and rehosted elsewhere
- sites changing names
- personal throw-away WordPress sites
- sites for educational purposes made by the students themselves
- sites going bankrupt
- news site, social media channels closing down
Can't see why this isn't very natural, and I'm actually surprised it's not higher if you consider how fast that field is moving.
19I would be MORE surprised if they where still there.
14Pleased, but surprised.
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One day we'll know more about the Roman Empire than the early Web
122013: everything is flattened to oblivion (thanks, Apple)
2023: a quarter of the internet literally dies
Things are supposed to get better, not worse.
9Things are getting better for like, 20 people.
1I bet they're all CEOs.
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It’s a good thing I save a doc version of things/articles I find interesting online.
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