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Uncanny Valley

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It's called "corpse". Often riddled with diseases.
- I remember a documentary about a famous northwest passage expedition that was never seen again. One of the inuit people they talked to during an investigation claimed they found a boat, and in the captain's quarters they found a body in the bed with a big smile on its face. That would be absolutely terrifying, but apparently that's what naturally happens to corpses when their lips and gums receed.
  
  "Oh for just one time, I would take the Northwest Passage..."
  
  Damn, now i want to know!
  
  At least he died happy
- maybe hairless chimps too. Those things are crazy
  
  They will rip your dick out, Jamie send that video of jacked hairless chimps
- You're right though, as soon as someone dies, there's something not right at all about how they look. They don't look asleep, they look uncanny valley.
- It also covers those who are not biologically fit to be mates. Various conditions can appear as physical traits.
- Or perhaps whatever animal killed your friend is still nearby. Maybe it's still hungry, or maybe it feels it's territory is still underappreciated.
  
  Its territory is underappreciated?

Or you need to identify those who aren't behaving properly (sickness or other resource intense disability) and should be outcast from the group (something we don't need to do today, but the right wing narrative insists that need to do)
- we should be outcasting all sorts of toxic behaviors instead of putting them in charge.
  
  I do believe there's a happy medium between out-casting and electing, probably even a large amount of medium space.
  But that's not what you get in a first past the post system.
  
  Yeah, like neurotypical people. There should be a rule against holding office in government if you're neurotypical.
- Actually, tribal humans tend to support people with disabilities, even severe ones. It's only feudal and capitalist societies that treat disabled people with cruelty. It isn't natural.
- I was thinking rabies.
  A person who looks wrong.
  
  I was thinking psychopath. Someone who tries to blend in and act normal but never quite gets it. We have no problem be horrors to other species, but early humans couldn’t afford a psychopath willing and wanting to kill their own tribe.
- something we don't need to do today, but the right wing narrative insists that need to do
  People keep saying this, but I really don’t see right wingers arguing for outcasting people.
  
  I'm sorry, you don't see phobias in the right wing?
  It's proven right wing individuals have more active fear trigger regions of the brain.
  Building a wall and shutting down the border, letting people die of dehydration in the desert, are policies from the left wing?

It would be a evolutionary benefit to fear / avoid any person that is behaving strangely in certain distinct ways. Could be a dangerous transmittable disease, i.e. rabies etc.
- It's probably the entire reason people lost their shit over the idea of catching leprosy.
- That makes a lot of sense👍

The humanoids we evolved from were at one point, not the only humanoids around. We coexisted with other, different species (neanderthals being an example). Homosapien is just the one that survived.
- Yeah this is just leftover racism from a time when racism had a reason to exist.
  
  I mean, racism has as much reason to exist now as it ever did. "I'll protect me and what's mine" has been the dividing line between species for thousands of years, and we have to choose whether we'll continue it. A "Kill or be killed" mindset might keep you safe, but you'll never know if the person you killed did indeed mean you harm, or if you could've instead lived without killing, and broke bread with a rival. The logic still applies
- This guy knows.

Yes. A dead body.

Neanderthals and others existed contemporaneously didn't they...
... but also, so many parts of our brain are needed to do facial recognition that we're prone to seeing faces where there are none...
...so it's possible that what we're on the watch for is other humans trying to ambush us, which means regular people hiding = uncanny valley = fear.
- I was thinking of the Denisovans
  
  Don't forget Bigfoot, the rake, and skin walkers.
- Alternate theory: The human brain is reacting to unfamiliarity and not alien features. We strongly associate Uncanny Valley with things not-quite human but it’s my thinking that it’s a tribal thing. Nowadays we see a ton of faces of all variations but I bet when we were hunter gatherers, we only saw features of our own tribe. The moment you meet another tribe, I’d bet this response is to create fear of the unrecognized human. It’s also probably there as a punishment mechanism for us seeing faces in everything.
  The times that the uncanny effect hit hardest is when you think something is human or is a face potentially before finding out you’re wrong. So that’s my basis for thinking its there to keep us from being mistaken.

Not necessarily fear it's just most of the time today it's used in horror
Back then it was probably used to differentiate Neanderthals
- or corpses
  
  Or Lizard people first trying to study us.
- I doubt that premise. Neanderthals looked different, but not uncanny valley. Horror and fear may have been involved sometimes, but so was sex and competition... Neanderthals probably just looked like big chinless people
  
  According to commercial genetics testing, I'm more Neanderthal than 90% of other people that used the same major company. My ancestors were into some kinky 👉👌
- This made me look up what a Neanderthal would look like in modern clothing and this was one of the results:
  
  Asmongold?...

Or the biological need to be afraid of ourselves because if I saw a human standing in my backyard in the shadows I would be as scared as if it were an alien, humans aren't a joke when they want to kill or maim and humans love to kill or maim if they need something you have
- My brother accidentally cut his foot open with an axe about an hour ago. That's how much humans love to maim. We do it idly as we work.
  
  Yup. We're least safe when we most think we're safe. Architects of self fulfilling prophecies

Our instincts draw from pretty far back in our biological origins as well. The notion of mimiclike predators is pretty damned ancient and likely a factor for very earliest common ancestry.
- Mimiclike predators sound like psychopaths. Which, very much would be a reason we evolved uncanny valley, but they learned to blend in.
  
  There's also the concept of gender blindness until it became necessary to differentiate between groups and eventually people.
  Sorta like the story of the color blue.
  
  Psychopath isn't a real mental disorder, it's just Latin for mentally ill person.

Dead bodies probably, as they spread diseases.
- But it's generally pretty obvious when someone's dead. More likely it has to do with someone alive who may have a communicable disease.
  
  But it's not obvious that a dead body is dangerous
- And Hulkamaniacs

We still do. They’re called psychopaths. It’s been a problem for so long that we’ve evolved an instinctual response to it.
- Have we though? We still vote for them and populate the business rooms with them...
  ...my theory is different. I think this is evolutionary back to competition with similar species.

"But in general, take my advice, when you meet anything that's going to be Human and isn't yet, or used to be Human once and isn't now, or ought to be Human and isn't, you keep your eyes on it and feel for your hatchet."
- May I ask where this is from?
  
  The chronicles of Narnia, the lion the witch and the wardrobe. I think it's the beaver talking about how the witch isn't human?

Back 4 million years the whole world really was a planet of the apes. So in some ways recognising something that wasn't your species, but looked like it might have avoided conflict, loss of territory, loss of food..

Yep and they were called Neanderthals.
- But Homo Sapiens readily breeded with not only the Neanderthals but the Denisovans as well
  
  Some of them did. We all know a few people that would go ahead and fuck what the rest of us would be scared to go near. Those genes survived too.

Bleachy-teeth people, this means you
Don't grin at me you fucked up freak 😂
- Sweat eaters

Illness, death, and antisocial behavior. All of these were threats we evolved to handle, people who are "a little bit off" in one way or another, who might endanger the group or individual. This, and that our pattern seeking brains don't like it when something doesn't easily fit within an existing schema, even more so if it lies just outside of our existing preconceptions.
Obviously, I can't say that these definitely are the reasons why we experience the uncanny valley, but I think it's probably a better explanation than... Skin walkers? Or whatever else the meme would be implying.
Still, it's a cool premise for a horror story at least.

I just wanted one funny meme before bed not nightmare fuel but here we go
- Look in your shower.

The leading theory is Rabies.

I mean, we existed as the same time as other early ape species (which we killed off like the monsters we are), so it makes sense.
- Killed off, but not necessarily by violence.
  
  We killed them with snark

Or it's just that something feels off, fellow human.
On the other hand, maybe because we're a highly social species and some people are just crazy, which you see in their face or behavior.
- You mostly see this in autistic or ADHD people, even if most of us aren't dangerous.
  
  That's a unlucky side-effect of this instinct i think?

Ancient androids, obviously.

Reminds me of the episode of "Scavenger's Reign" with the creepy-ass plant-clone thing stalking some of the survivors.
- such a great show. thats one of the few shows set on an alien planet that truly feels unnervingly alien

Drugs my friends. Drugs.
- Huh?

Neanderthals?
- You would think so, right? But funnily enough, whenever we find a new type of hominid that existed around us (neanderthals, denisovans, homo florensiensis), we find out that humans interbred with them and they are a part of our modern human DNA.
  I bet humans learned to "other" things that look like humans so they could do things like avoid the sick and dead, dehuminize other tribes to kill them in war. All the very human things we do now.

yes other hominins or maybe fear is the standard response to something u are completely unprepared for evolutionary.

I call this feeling "The Holy Spirit" and no I'm not religious, hear me out.
So there's "The Father" which is you, in charge of everything.
Then there's "The Son" which is your Jesus, the bit of you that does shit mostly perfectly without any input from you. The scary example of this is when you drive to work and can't remember the drive at all. Jesus Take the wheel. Teach your Jesus right and you can trust he'll do things fine.
Then The Holy Spirit, which is that part of you that sees everything, before the filters are applied, and let's you know something is off. There's no obvious reason for it, but there's something off about this guy and we need to get away from him as soon as possible and never interact with them again.
The Jesus part is the important bit for most of us. Learning to play the guitar? Teach your Jesus. When you've practiced enough you can just trust that Jesus will hit the notes while you concentrate on singing along.
When I learned to Juggle I just taught my Jesus how to throw properly so it lands in the other hand.
At work I teach my Jesus how to do the manual labour, do the checks I need to do, and I can concentrate on ripping on my work colleagues.

The uncanny valley is not a thing
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