Amazing how quickly you'll start liking the song

I loved Enterprise. Dr Phlox is easily the best Starfleet doctor yet represented. But Jonathan Archer is an idiot.

Every S1 episode is this: new species met, half the crew gives advice on how to deal with them. Jonathan Archer decides to do the exact opposite and the rest of the episode is trying to repair that damage.

Don't get me wrong, I find it funny, realistic, and relatable. But Archer isn't a great captain.

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I have a hard time deciding the best captain.

But yeah, Archer is the worst captain. Great portrayal by Scott Bakula - of the worst captain.

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- I love his character, I really do. When I say he's a terrible captain, is because he consistently makes choices completely in line with his character that are awful. In universe it even makes sense. Starfleet didn't expect much from this mission, it was politically motivated and his placement as captain was too. Vulcan high command is throwing humans a bone, the humans are throwing one of their own by placing the son of the guy who designed the ship at it's helm. It goes exactly how you'd expect it to go, and then suddenly transdimensional aliens from the future blow up Florida and Archer is the only guy with a ship fast enough to do something about it. Thank God Trip and T'Pol were there or the humans would have been fucked
  
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I feel like some of that was on purpose. Like, the whole point of the show was our bumbling first steps into space, there's gotta be mistakes. And it gives some latitude to explore plots that aren't all "Flawless Space Hero Saves the Day"

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I've seen the entire show and I still passionately hate the theme song.

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I loved the original, ultra cheesy version of the the song. And yet, I absolutely loathe the second arrangement that tried to make it less cheesy.

So, basically it's a case of Schroedingers Faith of the heart for me - I love it and I hate it.

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- It was all upbeat while the show took a dark turn in the expanse. It was the worst of moves in the worst of times.
  
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- I’m with you on that exactly. Never skipped for the first two seasons, always skipped for the last two. It’s cheesy of course, but it seems to capture the early 2000s optimism of space exploration and technology in general, showing the ISS and the shuttles.
  
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My father was an avid enterprise fan and that song was his alarm for years, he woke up at 7 and subsequently woke me, I have severe PTSD when I hear it

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I thought the series kind of sucked, but I actually liked the song. I'll show myself out...

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The exact same thing happened to me. Enterprise got me hooked immediately. I loved Tucker and Phlox.

The theme song? Meh.

A few episodes in, I loved how well the track and the visual intro went along.

I didn't like the added drums starting with S3, though.

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A man of taste

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- Not a man, but thanks anyway ^^
  
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Whilst I like the content, I couldn't disagree harder

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- I love it. I hate the theme song. I love the show. There, I said it.
  
  Now discovery. Oh boy. I reckon I’ll try again.
  
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Agreed. I think Enterprise is an excellent show. Wrt the theme: it captures the optimistic spirit of trek. Perseverance, discovery, opportunity, and belief in the human spirit. Granted, it's definitely the 'right-most dragon' of Star Trek themes, but I'll always have a soft spot for it.

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This and Discovery are Star Treks I have not seen all of. I just can't with that song. Either version. Discovery is a me problem, I saw new Klingons again and didn't even wait for an explanation. I did not want to wonder or sit through the explanation. I have been thinking of getting back around on trying Discovery again.

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- Thanks! I have caught some (3 in our house, one watches Discovery one watches Enterprise, I have seen some of each with them) but Discovery I had no idea what was happening, as you mentioned it's meant to watch as a whole. Some of that second season did have me stuck looking even though I was lost, lol. I'm wrapping up a couple other series I've been watching so I may go ahead and try it again when those are done. Since you did give it such a glowing review (and I have admittedly been curious about that spore drive too)!
  
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Yeah. I found the Discovery Klingons tiresome to have constantly on screen.

The new "old Klingons" are pretty cool though. I adore the revelation that Klingon technology has been degrading from it's former glory for centuries. It explains a lot about how such a violent feudal society has 24th century technology. It's implied that the Klingons are on their way toward a new dark ages after having previously achieved 26th century level technology.

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Discovery would have worked way better if it had been set after voyager.

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It started out as a fun romp where the federation was the underdog, them quickly spiraled into temporal war nonsense. Should have been more episodic.

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Yeah. And the Temporal wars storyline was unsatisfying at best, and nonsense at worst.

Enterprise was at it's best when doing "this is why we have the Prime Directive" episodes.

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- That "this is why we have the Prime Directive" episode with evolutionary predestination and evolution as a god figure was pretty awful, though.
  
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Star Trek: Enterprise viewership is like most romantic relationships.

Start out playing hard to get, and acting like you aren't interested.
After a little while you get your interest piqued, and keep going just to see what happens.
Things start to get interesting for a while.
Things turn boring for a while.
Repeat cycle over and over until...
All of a sudden it has been 5 years, and you realize you were right in the beginning. You weren't that interested, and you could have spent all that time doing something more productive.

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Narrator : "They wouldn't have done anything more productive."

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Just listened to that. Jeez, how is the song in any way invoking star trek?

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I have always felt the actual ST:E theme is the ending credits.

Some producer got involved and decided they needed to "distance" Enterprise from the rest of the Star Trek franchise, and they also wanted to give it a bit more modern vibe so that it felt like it was between now and when TOS takes place.

So they took a Rod Stewart song from Patch Adams, changed some lyrics, and slapped it over what is arguably one of the best Trek opening credit sequences...

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- I do love watching shuttle launches, but I'm not sure I'd call a bunch of public domain NASA footage the best opening sequence ever.
  
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I just read a thing about this: The song was originally written for the movie "Patch Adams," but never used. The producers wanted a pop song for the intro to make the show's setting feel more contemporary. They originally wanted to use U2's Beautiful Day (not a great choice either imo) but they couldn't afford it.

Much more relevant is this masterpiece: Enterprise intro - Perfect Strangers mashup

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Personally, it did help put me off enterprise

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I really don't understand everyone's problem with the Enterprise opening song. It's not that bad and I thought the lyrics went pretty well with a Star Trek prequel series.

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- Yeah it feels like it should be the opener for an old family sitcom like Full House.
  
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I don't think anybody was affected more by that abomination of a song than Jolene Blalock. She and her little outfits worked so hard to boost that show, and the producers threw obstacles like that song in her way. It's no wonder that she freaked out, quit acting, and married Ticketmaster.

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Yeah she even let the captain put the lotion on the skin for a solid 4 minutes.

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Archer is my man!

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I fuckin love that song and all the visuals of Big E over the years make it even better. DS9 has the best music but ENT is my top intro all around

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It took me exactly 2 episodes to start screaming along with the intro.

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It's like Nickelback

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- LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH!
  
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#Skip. Intro.

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IT'SBINA LAAAOOWW WAAAWW

Infuriating. I need this song to have shins for me to kick it in :P

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I liked ent until season 3 when archer became a gw bush analogue/apologist. "Damn it we have to, I know it goes against everything we stand for but we're facing an EXITENSIAL CRISIS!". Fuck off, go back to quantum leap.

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I'll be reporting this to Ambassador Porthos! You can expect some urination on anything sacred you own.

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I feel like an alien in this thread because I hated the theme for the first two seasons but just started the expanse season and think the updated theme sounds much better. It's definitely weird they chose that season to change it though.

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I like that song and it fits the mood the show was originally going for. I-was-saying

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I prefer the faster version too. Fight me.

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