I thought about not sending this as I have been very unsuccessful in advocating for veganism, but considering the other comments I thought I may as well share.

When I became vegan at 16 I had my worldview shatter. I promptly went and told all my friends about veganism, the horrors of animal agriculture, and urged them to become educated on the issue. All, with one exception, got upset at me when I talked about it and eventually stopped being my friends, partly due to me advocating for veganism. I think the last straw was when I sent the group chat Dominion after I had seen it. It was very traumatising to watch and I wanted the others to know of the horrors they were contributing to (especially considering we were all living in Australia), but apparently I was "making everything about myself" again... I ditched their sorry asses soon afterwards.

The only exception to this, ended up watching some Earthling Ed videos I had sent and ended up becoming an "ethical" vegetarian 😭. I tried explaining how the dairy industry is not "ethical", but they genuinely seem to not be able to understand or care enough to do anything about it. I was mortified that I had created a vegetarian.

Afterwards, I didn't have many friends due to being vegan—among other issues—, but the one time I did make a new friend (via falling in love with an omni) I did basically instantly convert them to veganism just by explaining that meat is murder and veganism is based lol. I think they just trusted my word for it and they are a super based vegan still after years.

So becoming vegan, I lost lots of friends (although veganism was just one of many things that amounted to that), accidentally converted one to vegetarianism, and only once successfully created another vegan. I'm quite ashamed of how little (perceived) impact I've made, but recently I have been quite proud of my one convert as they are my best friend now and I don't have to deal with carnists on a day to day basis.

I don't have the spoons to work on this at the moment, but I changed the first line in the community sidebar to what I've interpreted this community to be for.

The vegan place to discuss things.

I really appreciate the discussions from a vegan viewpoint and prefer it much over the blogspam about plant based stuff. I'll try and work harder to remove that kind of content.

My favourite beans are Gigantes plaki and I usually eat it with rigatoni. Very interested in seeing all the kinds of beans people eat here!

Palm oil doesn’t contain animal products, so it’s vegan. Full stop.

This is a misleading argument to make. Plenty of things can be nonvegan even if it doesn't contain animal products (slave labor, horse riding, drug testing, etc.). Whether or not something merely contains animal products is not a measure of somethings vegan status. Please see the definition of veganism here: https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism

At this rate we'll need guide lists for the guide lists! Thanks for this :)

Once you've edited this list enough that it feels ok, could we archive it or distribute it in a way that involves not using google? It'll make sure it doesn't get taken down in future and people who don't/can't use google services will be able to see it as well.

Also, I got asked to pin this (to which I did), but I didn't realise it didn't come from you! Hope you don't mind!

It should be pinned now!

Oh wow, can't believe I didn't notice that link haha. Glad to hear they ship overseas :)

Also, I should mention here so this can be collated among other vegan products that may be mentioned in this thread.

This is the toilet paper/paper towels I get (specifically because they were the only vegan ones I could find). They use recycled paper (or bamboo), 'soy-based inks', and their glue is 'just starch and water'. There's also no animal testing aside from consensual human testing apparently lol.

https://support.whogivesacrap.org/hc/en-au/articles/11902182808217-Are-your-products-vegan

I'm not sure if you can get these from anywhere that isn't Australia, but it's good for Aussies I guess.

Edit: link to who gives a crap's site

@ambiguous_yelp@vegantheoryclub.org, would you be ok if I pinned this post? It has lots of really useful information and I would love for new people coming to this community to see it. Thank you for all the work you have done here :)

I tested it using the api on this instance /api/v3/post/like and I was unable to downvote any post. I also tried /api/v3/comment/like and it would also fail due to {"error":"downvotes_are_disabled"}⏎ .

I made sure to try and downvote a comment/post on an instance with downvotes enabled.

Not sure why people are saying you can, unless I've completely screwed this up, but it seems that downvotes don't work at all via the api if it's disabled.

curl --request POST \
     --url https://vegantheoryclub.org/api/v3/post/like \
     --user-agent "Mozilla/5.0 (X12; Linux x86_128) Gecko/19840101 0.821/xoferiF" \
     --header 'authorization: Bearer REDACTED ' \
     --header 'content-type: application/json' \
     --data '
{
  "score": -1,
  "post_id": 362154
}
'

I'll start. I recently got some bloods done and I am very magnesium deficient (0.4 mmol/L) which would probably explain the chest pain, tremors, and eye twitches I get. Fortunately it should be pretty easy to fix and it seems to be the only deficiency I have right now (other electrolytes, iron, vitamin d, are all good), I'll just have to start taking more magnesium supplements. Has anyone experienced magnesium deficiency before? What foods to you eat to combat it?

I WAS GOING TO POST IT IN ISO STANDARD ANYWAYS SO THAT'S WHY @HAMID IS DOING IT

!the_bee_hive@vegantheoryclub.org

I looked online and the image is from this tumblr post: https://www.someveganfacts.com/post/142697252805/fact-015-source

It lists this as its source: http://comfortablyunaware.com/blog/the-world-hunger-food-choice-connection-a-summary/

It sounds plausible, but @MsSprouts@vegantheoryclub.org it should be backed up with a source!

I feel so called out haha

I should check Australia’s stance on whether the label is regulated.

It either isn't or it's not done properly as I've seen lots of 'plant based' stuff here with egg and honey in it. It's a huge step backwards as anything can slap 'plant based' on it whereas a lot of the older vegan products had to pay to get certified as vegan and that actually meant something.

https://veganaustralia.org.au/certification/

Edit:

"Plant-based can mean anything that a company wants it to."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-12/how-is-plant-based-diet-different-to-vegan-vegetarian/102957508

!vegan@vegantheoryclub.org