Hikki88 @ Hikki88 @lemmy.dbzer0.com

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It's tragic if that's true, and I didn't really know that such a tradition existed. Damn.

If you said ‘we got the internet thanks to farmers’ that would be indisputable, everything flowed from that.

And why not? Philosophically, a strong argument can be made that the Agricultural Revolution laid the groundwork for everything we know today, including the internet. I don’t see why admitting that would be a problem as it’s simply the truth.

I don’t see why an internet couldn’t emerge in other economic contexts because internet technology depends on physics and those laws transcend any and all economic systems. We already know this because almost every jurisdiction has the internet.

I never disputed that it couldn’t be done, but it’s still a hypothetical. The reality is that capitalists stepped in, and the internet spread like wildfire. Could it be done in other scenarios? Maybe. But pointing out reality shouldn’t be inconvenient.

The influence of capitalism on the internet has been a mixed bag. e-commerce: good. App ecosystem: ranging from good to addiction health crisis. Walled gardens and enshitification: bad. Misinformation and radicalisation of political groups: dire, potentially an existential threat.

Everything has positives and negatives, everything is a mixed bag. People try to label everything in black and white boxes but reality is mostly gray. Still, it doesn’t change the fact that the internet is in people’s hands because of capitalism.

Reasonable, I think that’s a fair argument. I’m just adding that some abused individuals who use video games as a way to cope with stress might be pushed over the edge when they encounter violence in those games. It may be a small percentage, but it can certainly contribute. But yeah, I have to admit that since it’s not such a tangible thing to grasp, it might be difficult to truly know unless the individual clearly says so.

Cool, I think it's correct and to pretend that it's otherwise won't help when you're in the search for truth. We can agree to disagree.

This is so cute, it's like she passed out from being overloaded by the cat's cuteness.

And what do you think makes people violent? Their upbringing, their environment, their circumstances, and so on. Obviously, if video games are a significant part of their lives, they can contribute to violent tendencies especially if someone cannot distinguish fiction from reality. That’s exactly my point.

I’ve made my case, and I never said that. What you do with this information is up to you.

It depends on the individual. Those who cannot distinguish fiction from reality are the ones to watch out for but it’s tough to figure that out.

We all know how it came to be, you didn't get the point but it's okay.

Clarified here

I'm telling you it spread because of government funding and capitalists were just the medium by which the funding was used.

It doesn’t work just by you saying it. According to multiple sources, the government clearly didn’t want to fund commercial internet and largely backed out during the 90s.

The capitalist part is replaceable and unnecessary.

It doesn’t matter if you think it’s replaceable, I can make that claim too. What matters is what actually happened in reality.

How am I speculating when my argument is based on reality?

And I never said that they invented the internet.

already clarified here

That doesn’t undermine my argument that it was ultimately because of the capitalists that the internet spread in the first place.

That’s not an argument. I don’t need to speculate on hypotheticals when reality already proves the point.

It was private at that time. My point is that it spread so quickly to millions of people worldwide because of capitalists specifically the telecom companies and ISPs stepping in. Without them, the internet could never have developed on such a scale.

You got internet because of capitalists as well.