Commerce is not the same thing as capitalism, those words are not synonyms. Take a step back and open a dictionary. Pedantic definitions aside. The idea that capitalism is human nature and that human society and more broadly humans as a species are inherently capitalist is completely made up and ancient couns existing doesnt prove it. Id recommend looking up articles regarding "gift culture'" and "barter culture"

As for opening a history book: i did my undergrad in European history, and have a masters in Archeology. So while im not the definitive expert on the history of commerce and capitalism by any means, I have definitely opened up a couple history books.

Medieval communities did not engage in capitalism or any sort of internal market economy. Your assumption is that history defaults to a modern western mindset where everyone is highly individualistic and only interested in themselves. Yes you would give your neighbor eggs because you know theyll give you nails. Its called a "gift economy" by historians. Anyone who didnt help the community would be ostracized

I dont see how that defeats what i said? I live in the whitest state in the union. Probably a contribution to the racism i see is the lack of interaction with diverse communities. People in the north absolutely have a tendency to think we lre perfect up here and its only the south that has racism and bigotry. But its not remotely the case

White, but in Vermont. I think my fellow Northerners get way too smug regarding the "backwards" south. Go outside urban areas in new rngland and youll see the same situation

There's nothing at all wrong with eating fake meats. i do all the time. Thats not the point i was making

Ignoring the obvious joke you missed. If someone being a little rude is enough to make you completely give up on your ethical/moral stance, you need to grow a spine dude .

If a gay person is an ass to me i dont decide to become homophobic and blame it on them.

Its just meat mechs all the way down

Yeah it was a little weird wording. Im not in the trades. Trying to be vague because internet, but while I work WITH plumbers and HVAC specialists, and have previously worked in the field, Im not one myself.

I work in the trade industry. Most of these people are conservative boomers. The things these guys say are absolutely horrifying. It isnt just the older guys though. Its the blight of converativism. These dudes say things that sound like they should be said by someone 1000+ years ago or in Saudi Arabia or something. Im talking about not just racism, homophobia, mysoginy but also honor killings, reasons rape can be justified, flying into a blood rage because you feel another has offended your masculinity. Moving to rural America (even in the north) has been incredibly eye opening to how insanely backwards parts of our society is. You have no idea until you see it.

The dude youre responding to literally keeps saying neither group is justified in their war crimes and you keep accusing him of being okay with hamas commiting war crimes. Your brain is rotted dude. Just come out and say admit you like war crimes as long as Israel is doing them.

"THEY COMMIT WAR CRIMES TOO WHY ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT??" "Im not, neither group is justified in war crimes" "WHAT IF WE ONLY GAVE PALESTINE AID IF THEY DONT COMMIT WAR CRIMES HUH? HOWD YOU LIKE THAT??" "Yes I would like that" "YOU SUPPORT WAR CRIMES"

the dude you're talking to has actual brain rot its insane

This is one of the reasons the "youre are your brain and you pilot your body like a meat mech" isnt really true. You have limited control over your brain. i have ADHD, i struggle constantly with my brain and usually refer to it like its a seperate human lol

A well worded nuanced take on Lemmy? Where am I?

The amish are fucking awful dude. Theyre a cult that abuses and beats women and children, treating them like property. They run puppy mills churning out dogs in gorrible conditions. Not to mention the rampant incest and inbreeding. Fuck their cult. They arent just "cute old timey people" tourists think they are

I know one or both changed their name and idk if theyre even still around but makes me think of wefwef and mlem for lemmy what cringy fucking names. I know the name isnt a huge deal if the software is good but for one second can we not sound exactly as cringy as a people imagine us lol

Youre overthinking it. Thats the joke. Its funny because its a silly proposal of how it got named

You ended youre "argument" admitting tou dont give a shit about suffering or morality. I dont really know how to continue a debate with an actual psychopath... arguing with meat eaters always ends up with them saying insane stuff like they dont care about suffering or torture , the quotes around intelligent makes you sound like the kind of person who drown cats as a kid. I know literally no amount of logic or facts can change your mind because you just want to be right (you know ..like a cult) it was a mistake saying anything. Proud ignorance just frustrates me

Humans also raped each other and died in childbirth for just as long so i guess we should let those happen too. appeal to nature is a logical fallacy One of my biggest pet peeves when people talk about veganism is theyre inability to debate without their entire argument being nothing but fallacies. Its not different then arguing with a flat earther or a trump supporter.

The other thing that boils my blood is people invoking privilege as if they actually care about whatever community theyre hiding behind. Low meat diets are what most people throughout all of time and history have eaten. The meat heavy diets of the modern western world is an immense privilege. Go to a rural community in South America shoving whoppers in your mouth and see if thats how theyre eating. Meat is massively MASSIVELY subsidized.

Not to mention its the largest cause of environmental destruction on the planet. The number one cause of deforestation .and the cause of suffering for billions intelligent animals.

Do some actual research beyond googling "why is veganism bad" and then finding YouTube videos that support the ideas you already have. WatchDomion.org

I have no idea who those people are. But if you think people cant be healthy eating grains, legumes, fruits and vegetables you know literally nothing about health and fitness. Do you get your diet advice from roided out "carnivores" like liver king who take steroids and fistfulls of vitamin pills to survive their bacon and butter only diets?

Yeah i know what the expression is. My point was the absolute ignorance to think that the only cheap food is meat, and that vegans eat super expensive bougie fake meat all day. Instead of cheap foods that are diet staples around the entire planet