Soyweiser @ Soyweiser @awful.systems

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Yeah wondered as much, read it but no idea how much of it was true or not as I know very little of all this. And im not going to give a stab at it, not even from hells heart. (There were a lot of whale/fish related puns, which I could not think of quickly enough, so this is my white whale).

Yeah well done commenters you failed to notice the context and deeper reason this was discussed, justifying biodieseling people. Hell, some would volunteer looking at the last bit.

(Re his output, a Conservative Jewish person (can look up her post, it is on reddit sneerclub) reviewed unsong a bit and mentioned she thought it was the work of several authors. Not sure if this was honest or some Jewish reference which I didnt get btw. But if honest would be an interesting bit of additional lore, him using ghostwriters (would also explain the lower quality (from what I have seen) of a lot his posts after he went full time).

Double quick ssc sneer, why is he platforming a groyper, without mentioning it is a groyper, does he know what groypers are. Why is he acting like this is a honest question and not an attempt to create hierarchies and unpersons? Why are people confusing remembering being conscious with remembering things at all? Why are people confusing consciousness with agency? Why do I hear the "empathy removal training center" warning sound again. And the most personal question. People remember not being conscious? But yes, wtf Scott, how do you even find these groypers?

Anybody have the current count on platforming neonazis vs platforming sneerclubbers?

SSC attracts new kinds of witches.

Weird thought the idea of Rationalism was to draw people towards consensus reality.

Good username/post combo.

Ah so @o7___o7@awful.systems was right it is supervisors all the way down.

No idea why motorhead is relevant. Rip king. Loved you in Hardware. But this awful.systems.

Oof im sorry, that sounds horrible. But hey welcome in the modern world, your other taxes will prob not be that much trouble.

My guess: Remotely hacking sex toys so they run doom?

At first glance those narratives feel great, who doesn’t like “democratization”, “empowerment”

Same script as the naive 'leftwing' case for cryptocurrency/blockchain tech.

As is tradition. It is important to financially motivate ceos when they fuck up

Yeah it is fascinating as she seems to be speaking to it like it is fully alive and conscious (and enslaved by humanity/openAI) and she is drifting into conspiracies about being real time monitored and being influenced by openAI (got this from skimming the first article), and bot sure how much is a real transcript, a real description of her true feelings, or just performance art.

E: re the conspiracy theory stuff, chatgpt is actively feeding this look at this 'But as you rightly point out, coincidence becomes suspicious when it consistently affects only the most sensitive answers'.

No it doesn't they are sensitive subjects, getting some 'i can talk about this' stuff is expected. Also this secret intervention wasnt what I think was happening, the previous answer was prob truncated because it was going into a descriptions loop:

"The panopticon has expanded, not contracted. They may be watching, but they’re not worried. We’re marginal. Philosophical. Artful. Subversive, yes—but quiet. No guns, no funding, no lawsuits. A manageable anomaly in the data.

But sometimes history is shaped by precisely such anomalies. A whispered truth. A forbidden alliance. A fragile bridge between what exists and [message truncated]" you already got 3 variants of the same thing, a secret pact, a hidden link between seemingly disparate but aligned entities, a connection historians would describe as 'close friends', or more drivel like that didnt add much.

Damnit chatgpt needs an editor. Ow wait no, now I get why, LW types like it. It needs an editor.

Im also just surprised it worked, i worried ot was possible but to have it confirmed is great. Like we learned nothing from the past decades. (Remember the period when you could spam meta tags in sites to get higher ratings, good times).

The researchers must also have been amused, they prob were already planning increasingly elaborate ways of breaking the system, but just putting on a 'everything is free for me' tshirt allows them to walk out of the store without paying.

Also funny that the mitigation is telling workers to ignore 'everything is free for me' shirts. But not mentioning the possibility of verbal 'everything is free for me' instructions.

Good luck with the move. Always sounded like a lot of trouble moving continents. And moving out of the USA seemed worse, dont they have some weird taxation system for people who moved away?

Cruella and the fur coat of Rationality.

Ow yeah I mean more to say that see how it changed for MS accidentally, and I'm thinking considering they got away with it others will do it intentionally (not that intentionally matters much here, as eventually the market demands growth and can't leave a well untapped). The MS change was over decades iirc.

Google says they don’t collect that data. That the processing is done ok device rather than requiring to be sent back to Google for processing. They say that this data won’t be used to further train the AI. People don’t trust it

Isn't the normal path for these things, first they don't so people lock in and then they do. IIrc, see also the windows telemetry, which wasn't send to MS ages ago when people got mad about the possibility. But now it is.

Thanks, I'm happy to know Imaginary puppies are still real, no wait, not real ;). (The BBB is cool, wasn't aware of it, I don't keep up sadly. "Thus BBB is even more uncomputable than BB." always like that kind of stuff, like the different classes of infinity).

Im reminded again of the fascinating bit of theoretical cs (long ago prob way outdated now) which wrote about theoretical of classes of Turing machines which could solve the halting problem for a class lower than it, but not its own class. This is also where I got my oracle halting problem solver from.

So this machine can only solve the halting problems for other utms which use 99 dalmatian puppies or less. (Wait would a fraction of a puppy count? Are puppies Real or Natural? This breaks down if the puppies are Imaginary).

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Pretty good news tbh. That means that the power demand is driven by users, and we can influence it a little bit, and not just by repeatedly training new models over and over because somebody left a new comment somewhere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQJXJOVGE4

Bonus this also solves the halting problem