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Once you start looking at reparations for slavery and colonialism, you quickly realize it's a debt that the former colonizers will never be able to repay.

And to be honest, for wrongs that were committed over a 350+ year period, it doesn't make sense to repay a debt within a single lifetime.

So I agree with you, something would be better than nothing.

But it is important to make an inventory on what would be justly owed and what has been paid back to date and in what form. Perhaps this process should also last 350 years.

Dedollarization would happen.

It will be painful for countries which are vulnerable and ill prepared.

I honestly think there's a good chance it will happen soon. Trump is speed running "how to dismantle the US power and influence in one presidential term".

I am convinced he is a total Putin puppet and the only reason it doesn't always seem that way, is to be able to deny those allegations.

I haven't been beaten in an argument.

You are trying to lecture people on a historical genocide while whitewashing and denying a genocide that is happening before our very eyes.

That is truly sickening and not healthy. And it actually hurts people who are now dying and starving.

And you're a Nazi, just against brown people instead of Jews.

Same shit, different victims.

I didn't say that Holocaust wasn't that bad, that's you being racist.

Go up three comments to read the full context. Like a normal human.

Dude, I never said the Holocaust ain't bad.

You're just a racist projecting your beliefs on others

I have chatbots with better reading comprehension than this.

Don't cherry pick and misquote dude.

This whole discussion is in the context that, in Germany and the Western world, the Holocaust is positioned as the worst thing that ever happened. And the Nazi's as uniquely evil.

That's the propaganda we are arguing against.

Did I say the slave trade was an industrial genocide?

You are cherry picking parameters to try and make the Holocaust some kind of unique tier of atrocity.

In the same time frame 20 million Slavs died.

On certain islands in the Caribbean, 100% of the native population was murdered and displaced, which is more than 90%.

Yes, there are certain aspects of the Holocaust that are unique, but it is not in a unique tier by itself. There are many metrics that make other atrocities worse.

Yeah, I think their CEO might have QNAP stock or something.

It's hilarious how dumb this is.

I also don't know exactly what the next step is.

Obviously, protesting and civil disobedience.

Looking at historical precedents, I also think targeted sabotage should be part of it. Nothing like the Reichstag fire or the assassination of Ernst vom Rath that would fuel a civil war.

In WW2, our resistance performed targeted sabotage on (for example) rail lines, pipelines and electrical networks that did not hurt anyone, but which did weaken the German war effort.

One big disadvantage compared to WW2 is the massive surveillance state.

During slavery there was also the underground railroad. I would definitely set up a system like that to bring targeted activists to Canada. You really don't want to lose your intelligentsia. Let them provide resistance from Canada.

I hope others have better ideas on effective tactics though.

For anyone interested, there are multitudes of videos on YouTube showing commie blocks and why they are bad, so don't feel bad for focusing on work.

Anyone interested can find the information with an easy search.

Yes, there has been. Neonazi propaganda is bad, but so is Zionist propaganda

The transatlantic slave trade put 12 million people on ships from Africa to the Americas. 2 million died and 10 million lived awful lives no better than that of the Jews in concentration camps.

Once you add their descendents (we don't know the total number) we have 10s to 100s of millions of people living in work camps for 20 generations spanning 350 years.

Never has there been any compensation paid to descendants of slavery. Even today, there is still compensation paid to descendants of Holocaust victims, and the time difference between the end of slavery and the Holocaust is less than that between the Holocaust and today.

And it's not just this one. Germany more or less ignores the genocide it committed in Namibia.

Even when it comes to WW2, the focus is always on the 6 million Jews and not the 20 million Slavs. Even though Slavs are a more homogeneous ethnic group than Jews. It was just inconvenient during the cold war to see the USSR and its citizens as a victim worthy of compensation.

And then finally, this live streamed genocide in Gaza. Which in some respects is worse than the Holocaust, even if the absolute number is lower.

My grandparents were resistance fighters in WW2. They knew Jews were being picked up and sent to camps, and they saved a few from that fate, but they didn't know the truth about Auschwitz until after the war. The images were not publicly available in occupied Europe. They were shocked. And the same is true for most Germans. The Nazi's never had popular democratic support for the war and genocide.

But in Gaza, we can all see it. It is being denied, while being live streamed. The Israeli's, Americans and the Germans can see the starving kids in Gaza and still provide popular democratic support to its continuation.

The Germans of WW2 never reached that level of moral depravity, only a few Nazi's did.

Indeed. There is a hierarchy.

Commie blocks are better than tents.

But proper social housing is better than commie blocks.

And proper social housing mixed with middle class owner-occupied housing in the same neighborhoods and even within the same buildings is the best.

Your first point just proves that Trump has control over Netanyahu, while Netanyahu had power over Biden/Harris.

I'm not denying that Trump is pro-Israel and has financial interests.

But where Biden was cucked by Netanyahu, Trump definitely has the upper hand over Netanyahu.

That's what I mean by beholden. Who has the power over who.

Literally Auschwitz. The pictures are the same.

It also shows, they want the hostages dead. No way the hostages survive if Hamas starves to death.

You are not familiar with Judaism. They aren't allowed to kill Jews. That's what the commandment means to them and has always meant to them. The second of the ten commandments is about loving your neighbor and to Jews that historically means other Jews and therefore the other commandments following it also only apply to other Jews.

But to be fair, Islam has the same issue of discriminating against unbelievers. At the time of Muhammad, only Jews, Christians and Sabians were tolerated. Others had to convert or be killed.

And to be even more fair, there are orthodox branches of Judaism that are pacifist and therefore definitely don't go out to kill. I really admire Yaakov Shapiro, who is fiercely anti-Zionist and pacifist.

Of the three Abrahamic religions, Christianity is the only one that doesn't allow killing of any humans.

Jesus specifically took the commandments and gave the parable of the Good Samaritan. Samaritans were the Palestinians of his time, descendents of non-exiled Israelites and Judeans. The Jews who came back from Babylon didn't recognize them as Jews and discriminated and oppressed them.

So Jesus gave that parable to make it clear that even Samaritans were neighbours, not just Jews.

Of course, later Christianity became the Roman religion and evolved to become the most violent of the three Abrahamic religions, but Christians have always needed to justify their wars as "just wars" in "self-defense" or "to protect the innocent" and Christian leaders are masters in lying and deceit. Even in modern times, Bush needed to lie about WMD to get support for the Iraq war.

So I don't want to say Christians are less violent - history shows the opposite. Only that Christianity is pacifist in its original form.

Then explain how Trump got the ceasefire deal that Biden couldn't get?

It's quite likely Democrats would have won the election with a ceasefire in place and that's why Biden tried his best to get it before the summer. He used the UN and put pressure on Netanyahu by withholding some weapons, but his AIPAC leash was too tight and Netanyahu and the Republicans humiliated him in front of the world multiple times, so he had to give up.

Trump doesn't give a shit about Palestinians. But he isn't as controlled by AIPAC as Biden was. He has Elon Musk and his own cult. He can tell Netanyahu to eat rocks without losing his power base.

For one, we already give it away. The biggest customers of ASML are not European as it is.

Second, it will bring in billions for the European economy and it will allow ASML to better hold its leading position in the long-term, since China won't need to compete with ASML. That's beneficial for the European economy

Third, how does it hurt us?