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How to win votes 101

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Just gonna put that there, since it seems some people are missing the meaning of your comment.

It's ironic here in the Netherlands how different the police and public reactions are to disruptive protests by Farmers vs. protests against climate and genocide.

But to be fair to our police, they did protect anti-racism protesters against far-right radicals. Compared to other countries, I think our police force is relatively OK.

They know this and encourage it.

Every time the Palestinians kill an Israeli, that gives them permission from the Americans to kill a thousand Palestinians.

And that's their plan to take all the land. Offer up a few thousand Israeli lives to genocide a few million Palestinians.

I really want to hear more about Cori Bush's plan to take down AIPAC.

It's time to do it.

I totally agree.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, they were handed everything they wanted on a silver plate.

They could have been Poland on steroids.

But they chose to reject it, so stupid.

No, he joined the national guard first.

They paid for his college education to become a teacher.

But Kamala really shut down those protesters!

Can't we focus on Kamala instead of the gcide?

(Disclaimer: I do support Kamala. Lesser of two evils and all. But I hope Americans grow a conscience.)

The ICJ ruling will take years though.

I think the most similar genocide to the Gaza genocide is the Bosnian genocide. The Srebrenica massacre took place in 1995 and the ICJ ruled in 2007.

So, the Gaza genocide might take until 2035 before it is all legally settled.

In the interim, Wikipedia and all of us need to decide what to call it.

Since it looks like a genocide and the initial findings support the case that genocide is likely being committed, it seems to border on genocide denial to call it anything else.

Edit to add: I also don't see people complaining about Wikipedia calling the Rohingya genocide a genocide, even though it is legally in the same phase as the Gaza genocide.

He should have said almost every.

But thanks for pointing out the mathematical truth ☝️

Yeah, the smell is obnoxious. I'm not surprised at all. Seems like a "water is wet" finding.

Because he shows what our parents could be like.

He's the parent we wish we had.

Damn, then it's even worse than I thought.

I don't think you understand how politics and elections work.

If people on the flanks give their voting power to "Blue (or Red) no matter who", you end up with the Clintons and Bushes of the world. Parties have no incentive to actually do anything for their flanks.

When people on the flanks leverage their voting power effectively, you get MAGA and Justice Democrats.

Anyway, hope you learned something today. Otherwise, hope you have a nice day.

I am fully aware of that.

But in the German context, I am not sure if it is effective.

Perhaps someone can make a nice rhyme against genocide.

"Germany sides against genocide", or something. Maybe something that rhymes in German.

Supporters of Bush and Bowman now face a strange incentive.

If they vote for Latimer and Bell, they will only embolden AIPAC and corporate America to use the same playbook in the districts of other progressive Democrats. And they will have them as incumbents in 2026.

If they do a protest vote (third party, write-in or stay home), that sends a clear message, but also gives the Republicans a +1.

On the face it, it would suck if the Republicans win their district, but also consider that a Republican win will (a) ensure Democrats field a progressive in 2026 and (b) show both Democrats and Republicans that the progressive vote is powerful and can be courted.

So it might actually be a good strategy. Look at 2016. Yeah, four years of Trump sucked, but it also made Democrats realize they had to court their progressive win. Corporate Hilary just couldn't win without them.

Knowing this, there is also a Dark Brandon, scorched earth, move available: Vote directly for the Republican and give them a +2.

This will show progressives know how to yield their voting power and that they should be taken seriously as a group.

You have to look at the bigger picture, not the short term issue.

If progressives want to be taken seriously, and if Americans want AIPAC out of politics, then there have to be consequences.

If Latimer and Bell hold on to the seat, corporate and AIPAC Democrats only learn that they can take progressives for granted.

If they lose their seat, they learn that they need progressive support to win.

Yeah, two years of a republican rep will suck. But it's only two years.

If the Democratic congressional candidate underperforms the Democratic presidential candidate, it definitely sends a signal.

Obviously, it only "sends a signal" if progressives say what they're gonna do.

But it has a double whammy: Dems get a 2 vote difference when you switch.

Agreed, but also: if I were in their district (Bush or Bowman), I might even consider voting Republican out of spite.

Yes, AIPAC is to blame, but Democrats also need to grow a spine against AIPAC. They can't just take progressive voters for granted.

Free speech in Germany is dead.

That said, if I were in Germany, I would use a different phrase. Maybe "stop the genocide in Gaza, ceasefire now".

That would just be way more effective in actually rallying support.

But I'm not in Germany, so Free Palestine, from the river to the sea.