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None of this really addresses my question.

If voters bear no responsibility, do you really believe in democracy, or are you thinking about this as an issue to be solved by authority?

The self-righteousness of this discussion is a problem. Politics requires some humility, which we seem to be short of.

Interesting. That's an angle I'll have to consider. It seems like democracy with fixed terms and term limits has a similar problem to capitalism: myopia.

Liberal isn't shorthand for libertarian.

I guess I'm focused on the professed, not measured, group size.

I really like the tiling window support in Pop_OS!'s Cosmos desktop.

I don't believe I am talking about two different numbers when I'm talking about the same voting bloc for both.

The "we" I used was probably misplaced, since I think you are making a distinction between your position and "leftists", who are the people I've seen on Lemmy advocating for destroying the system.

I'm not sure I follow your point about political engagement, I don't think I mentioned anything about that. I was commenting on the size of the group of third-party and non- voters. If that group wasn't big enough to change the outcome, I just don't see how they could be relevant at all.

I think we must be in agreement, though, since you suggest that Democrats need to better engage with the working class. Maybe we need a dedicated labor party, though without a more parliamentary system, the parties can't really be single-issue in the US.

Our politics needs more humility.

Self-righteousness is the root of the greatest evils.

I don't understand the "we were to small to matter" argument I've been seeing. If that's true, why on Earth would you expect to matter enough to move the Democratic platform, or to shape society after leftists "burn it all down" (whatever that means)?

I don't understand the "we were to small to matter" argument I've been seeing. If that's true, why on Earth would you expect to matter enough to move the Democratic platform, or to shape society after leftists "burn it all down" (whatever that means)?

you blame the voters but you do not want to put an ounce of blame on the party that would rather lose an election than offer meaningful change

Uh…

the DNC is out of touch with voters.

What is this, if not shared blame?

Dan Dare by Art of Noise

It's the same argument I've heard about the "complexity" of Mastodon: too many choices, which is I guess why people largely stopped going to websites outside the major social networks. Monopoly over competition, it's like everyone is pining for a monarchy.

How are you dealing with those people? Converting them is incredibly time consuming, and has to be done individually.

Maybe, unless the replacement is immediately worse based on who seizes control. It's the devil you know vs the one you don't.

I'm thinking more about the plurality of Americans that aren't on board, for whatever stupid reason. Until they are convinced, destroying the system won't really stick, if it's even possible.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/one-third-of-americans-agree-with-trump-s-poisoning-the-blood-comments/ar-AA1suf7p

Any solution that starts with purges is bad.

If you say so.

Democrats aren't authoritarians. It's a bad comparison. Democrats are always fragmented, it's virtually a defining characteristic. Post-Biden unity has been quite unusual.