curbstickle @ curbstickle @anarchist.nexus

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Especially running unopposed, I entirely understand a protest vote. I do think too often everyone assumes everything is a battleground, to me the biggest concern is strategy. I absolutely loathe the "part time candidates" like Jill Stein for the record, who only ever shows up at election time, and does absolutely nothing outside of election years. Just grifters wrapped in a different color imo.

I also think too often people who live in a "safe state" underestimate just how much of a battleground others can be though, which is why I'm not a fan of considering all democrats to be the same either. The leadership sucks, and so, so, so many of the long-standing elected representatives do, but using the "D" next to your name under the current structure of voting is substantially beneficial, and fracturing the vote with a third party in a local/state/federal election by competing on who can be more progressive is flirting with the risk of losing out entirely to regressive fascists, which also really sucks for us.

I just hope we avoid the accelerationist timelines, which I think will be far more horrifying than most people realize. Maybe its from me visiting places that have seen civil war and devastation, but I'm really hopeful that we never have to see that here (and still get rid of the fascists).

I think the case I would make is that they are definitely emulating trumps style because they think it will help them 'win' same type of triangulation they always do.

I would agree that is Newsom's approach, and potentially the party leaders (though I think they are also incapable of doing it well, but thats a whole separate matter).

Edited to add: Btw, this is why I'm worried about the policy>soundbites>memes transition. Its going to lead to exactly the type of "fascist-friendly" compromises you're referring to, imo.

we can set 'blue maga' aside as we're probably not going to agree on that

Definitely agree to disagree :)

but there's absolutely a contingent of Democrats who see restricting trans medical care as a nonpartisan issue that they can work with Republicans on.

what worries me is how quickly they jumped to finding compromise positions with Republicans

And disturbingly damn true.

who are expected to them vote for them or they get called 'pro Trump's as I so often get accused of.

I will say I agree with both here, depending on timing. If we're talking at the general election - yes, a protest vote is fundamentally a pro-Trump vote. This is entirely a FPTP created problem, where the choice is between two dogshit options.

If we had proportional representation, ranked choice, approval, score, whatever, elections in the USA would be in a much better position for a whole host of reasons, but mostly because we wouldn't have this A/B restriction.

Before even any primary has happened? No, screw that, rip into them. Replace them with someone better if possible. Thats what I've been working toward with the WFP, the only 3rd party near me with anyone actually trying to run. Didn't work out last election but I'll keep trying.

Which was a long-winded and rambling way of saying - when it comes to FPTP, timing is important, and protest votes can be effectively a vote for the (much, much, much) worse option.

Sweet milky cheeses that is disturbing. Contextually, clearly a response to Trump's use of AI, but what a shit choice of imagery....

it's so fucking weird, I hate it too

What I'm afraid of is not "blue maga", which I will stand behind my statement of "does not exist". Still not remotely hitting that maga territory.

No, what I'm afraid of is this style of messaging taking over politics for the future to come. Where it isn't about what the actual policies are, but memes and trolling bullshit.

Just dropped this in another thread, best copy I've found of just the mural:

I agree thats weird, but its specifically related to what has been annoying Trump of late. Less about Newsom and more about trolling Trump.

Which I absolutely agree is weird messaging, btw. I hate this.

Thats not actually a gadsden flag though, if thats the one I'm thinking of. Note the extra text on top, that flag is poking fun at the gadsden flag wavers.

As an American, I hope Canada gets some sort of barrier between it and the United States.

I would gladly go with my family and volunteer to help build it. If my family "accidentally" ends up on the Canadian side, I'd much rather stay though and help offset the crazy you have there....

I see a flag for Ukraine, the american flag, etc.

I don't see a picture of Newsom's face on a giant flag. I see the kind of banner thats been getting hung on an overpass for half a century.

I can't comprehend how you think those pictures look remotely the same.

I also don't appreciate the bonus made up racism you decided to add in there.

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Just to be clear, is this palestinian maga?

Because it just looks like people supporting the Gazans to me. Your "bluemaga" example looks remarkably similar. Can you clarify?

Is it like the canary method?

Announce you aren't going to go masturbate, so when you don't say it, they know what you're doing?

I don't understand how it came up in the first place, is it a discord for a sex toy?

I don't do bluesky, but I absolutely agree dems are right of center. The difference though is like saying "Drive east for 2 hours" and "drive east for 5 hours, catch a plane for a 4 hour flight, then drive another 2 hours".

Both terrible. One option is drastically worse though. There is a massive difference in policy (for the record, inclusive of the safety of trans folks) between the two, and it absolutely matters in FPTP elections. Unfortunately genocide isn't a major differentiator... Which is why we need to get away from FPTP, which is how we've gotten Mamdani on the ticket, NYC mayoral race is ranked choice. This is completely atypical unfortunately.

You don't have this problem in Australia, thankfully.

Also, there is zero equivalence in the images as shared. So I will continue to call out "blue maga" for what it is. Nonsense.

I can only quote my trans friend/former coworker - "At least he isn't trying to have me killed".

I'm not here to debate Newsom, who I think sucks, his position on trans folks being one part of that. But again, calling him/his supporters equal to maga.... that I cannot do.

Glad to see it was reversed!

That doesn't make "blue maga" any more real though, nor does supporting Newsom (ew) in any way make them equivalent to the cult of maga.

I'm all for calling out the regressive policies and political figures who are clearly in the wrong on many topics, as well as pointing it out the truth to supporters, but I'm not into disinformation campaigns. That is the type of bullshit that got us here.

I would have to very much disagree that this is equivalent to:

I'm not a party line supporter by any stretch, but equating what you posted against... This nonsense... is, at best, misleading.

More accurately though, its outright disinformation to encourage people to believe an equivalence in the cult behavior that just doesnt exist.

I will happily change my mind when I see something remotely similar to the randomly selected images that come up immediately in the results that I just posted.

Until then, "blue maga" is just nonsense.

I was referring to the most recent, specifically.

The mod who made those actions has been a frequent PTB, and has tried to start a "war" on some instances.

So that is not the "proof" you think it is, FYI.

You're just a 'team blue' maga type

If I search for "maga house", "maga car", "maga outfit", I'm going to get some very specific images as a result.

Please show me an example of this "blue maga" in image form.

Oh, oh

I'm doing this tonight, you're probably gonna start a fight...

Well this looks fun to try out — I'll have to install it later and give it a go!

(Sorry couldn't resist with the em dash)

But I will give it a try later on, been playing around with auth options lately

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Edit: I do like topics

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