They don't sound like much fun!

I bet its two users are both very sad

Same thing in Spain

Some good points, but a very angry framing. We've moved around so much that many of us have lost touch with our wider communities. Many like myself never had one to begin with. Find and establish community before raising kids.

Good to have a reality check, but this is still better than what we had before

GNOME sucks, both in their community engagement culture, and actual look. I've never liked their culture, but they used to have a superior desktop IMO.