olivecrest @ olivecrest @lemm.ee

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I did this more when I lived on the east coast and could hop on a bus - but it’s wicked expensive to fly and get a hotel. 😛 I have done it, and would be willing to again - I just can’t afford it regularly.

I went to the one in Portland. It was such good energy- it invigorates everyone present. It gives us energy to do other things as well.

The fact that Trump doesn’t care about Oregon doesn’t mean that “doing nothing” is a better option. Don’t discourage people from taking action. If we are gathering and talking to each other we’re more likely to find and join in other efforts.

Speaking of which - what is it that you would suggest the good people of Oregon be doing to make a difference?

Depends on the bus / area.

There is real time bus tracking now in most places so you can see when things will arrive = WAY better for dealing with traffic (note traffic is a thing for cars as well)

I’m in Portland OR and of course a bus going through a bad area is more likely to have people who are “not ok” (addicts) but the vast majority of our busses are clean and climate controlled and filled with perfectly lovely friendly people.

And risk assessment is based on what is likely. My aunt smoked her whole life and never got lung cancer so my “personal experience” is that smoking doesn’t cause cancer. You see what I’m saying?

Cars are more dangerous than busses. Period. You might not like them for any number of perfectly valid reasons, and a specific bus in a specific area might be more dangerous - but the point of the post is that personal preference and accurate risk assessment are not the same thing.

American, but here for the same reason.

53 checking in 🙂

And I would encourage avoiding collateral damage whenever possible.

Or maybe activist can focus on causing damage to directly to Musk. Like maybe we should all always try to avoid collateral damage when we can.

Not that hard to do.

Agree: Musk is the one hurting Tesla owners

Agree: US Government doesn’t care about collateral damage

I just would encourage folks who want to hurt Musk to focus on action that hurts Musk. Causing collateral damage is not fair or helpful - best to avoid it whenever possible.

At this point they’d get almost nothing for it - certainly not enough to buy a replacement car.

I’m just saying it helps to carefully target the people you actually are trying to hurt. It doesn’t help a movement if they start hurting bystanders.

What if a person bought a Tesla 10 years ago (before folks knew what an asshole Musk was) to reduce dependence on foreign oil.

Do you think that person deserves to have their car vandalized?

I am 100% in support of boycotting Tesla.

Just if someone bought a Tesla as their personal vehicle 10 years ago because they wanted an environmentally friendly car - before we knew what an asshole Musk was - I don’t think they deserve to have their personal property damaged/destroyed.

Valid.

Most people I know keep a car for 10+ years. The Thai thing was like six years ago and he wasn’t on my radar before then.

Lots of people aren’t online as much as you and I are. They might have bought an EV for environmental reasons 10 years ago without even noticing who owned the company.

Not everyone is online as much as we are. Lots of people are utterly unaware that ever happened.

Agree. Plus they are utterly ridiculous.

Counter point = some folks bought Tesla (the normal ones not the weird “truck” things) because they wanted a more environmentally friendly option for a car. Back before awareness that Musk is an asshole was common.

Like some of the owners might be regretful but not in a position to sell at a huge loss and buy a different EV.

Looking for an answer to this as well. I’m non violent 100% - but open to civil disobedience. If bad people are putting good people in jail I’m ok going to jail. Not to be a martyr, but if it has a chance of making a difference. Just not sure what to do.