Trucks Entering Alligator Alcatraz Are Hiding Their Logos, DOT Numbers
The contractors are illegally covering up the USDOT numbers on their trucks.
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Why are mods deleting comments and locking articles?
My comment was prefaced as being hyperbole and I said ICE should be held to account. What is this, Reddit?
mods here in this comm are known fascist supporters. if you “dehumanize” a nazi they boot you.
ICE should not only be held accountable but demolished.
New refugee from Reddit - is there a better community for discussing politics without heavy handed mods stepping in?
“Discussing politics” meaning calling for violence? You could start your own community for that if you want.
Violence is a necessary answer to fascism. Can't win against a bully with your hands tied behind your back screaming for peace.
Where is the call for violence?
My comment was something like “this is purely hyperbole but more brave Americans should hold ice to account” in the post about the 10 arrested folks in Texas. I’m not being pedantic I genuinely feel if a person lives in a fascist state then the individual has a right to hold the state to account for actions the state commits. I don’t see why I need to kowtow and sympathize with ICE… I just don’t know how else to describe my feelings.
From my understanding, that’s what has been removed, and why another thread about ICE officers being ambushed / shot by vigilantes on the 4th is locked.
Gotcha. Yeah. not ok with calls for violence. that’s just fed bait and unsafe anyway.
I’m 100% ok with reminding folks trash ideologies beget trash people who give up their humanity.
If you convince the public that one group is undeserving of human rights, then it's easier to convince them of the next group. It's also incredibly easy to expand the first group you've already dehumanized to include even more people than it did before.
Even if you think nazi's don't deserve human rights, what definition of nazi are you using? On the internet, especially Lemmy, people will take each other out of context, call each other nazis over the slightest disagreement and then strut around like they've somehow won the debate.
You say nazis don't deserve human rights but then people go around calling each other nazis over nothingburger disagreements which, according to your logic, immediately revokes their human rights.
And the jump to "the mods must be fascist supporters" is an absolute dive straight into insane troll logic.
Nazi lives don’t matter
Please look up the Paradox of Tolerance, also known as the Contract of Tolerance.
The paradox of tolerance doesn't say shit about adopting the tactics of your perceived enemies (dehumanizing people to justify jailing them or worse) nor does it condone it. It also does not give one a pass to advocate violence against people one accuses of being part of the not-tolerated group.
Again, if the populace of Lemmy didn't jump straight to "You're a nazi/bootlicker" as a default method of disagreement, these kinds of comments could be taken differently.
Why are you defending the intolerant so hard?
You need to understand, this isn't "adopting their tactics." This is "if you do not tolerate others, you no longer are protected by the social contract."
You can opt out if you wish, but that has to cut both ways, or your contract of tolerance is worthless.
Nothingburgers like concentration camps and denying people human rights because they're brown? Fuck all the way off with your slippery slope horeshit.
Ok see? We're not even talking about the same thing. And yet the word Nazi is in the undertone.
Yes actual Nazis are bad. (I can't believe I have to fucking clarify that; jesus goddamned christ on rubber crutches 🤦♂️). But lemmy just throws that word around so cavalierly and indiscriminately it's hard to even take it seriously anymore. Add on people dehumanizing anyone they personally think is a nazi, and that's a recipe for not good.
THIS YEAR there were folks in DC doing goddamn nazi salutes. And they have built a camp in FL. Are you, and maybe this is a big point.. are you not american?
Are Marxists not Marxist because Marx is dead?
Yes, and? Those were not the people the post in question was about. You just unilaterally declared the subject of that post a nazi, decreed that they're not human (dehumanizing), and that they deserved to be imprisoned because of that. When other commenters pointed out how hypocritical your take was, you doubled down.
The only thing the article mentioned about the guy was that he was a Trump voter. Yes, the nazi bar analogy exists but it's also true that some people really are just that stupid or brainwashed or otherwise poisoned by the Kool-Aid. Wsa the guy a piece of shit person? Perhaps. Misinformed? Perhaps. An actual Nazi that deserves to be imprisoned or worse? That's a wee bit of a dangerous stretch given that there was insufficient information to rationally arrive at that conclusion.
People who work for the nazi run camps are just contractors to you?
Possibly, yes. Resistance comes in many flavors. There are benefits to having people inside, whether that is to smuggle information, provide small comforts to those affected, be eyes and ears, etc.
The point is you (nor I) do not know anything about this guy other than the bits in the article, and there is not enough information to merit a response such as "he is not human and deserves imprisonment or worse". I'm not defending him specifically (again, insufficient info), but I am condemning you (and anyone else painting the world in such broad strokes) for throwing out assumptions, espousing dehumanizing rhetoric based upon those assumptions, and the hypocritical advocacy of imprisoning people you deem not human.
TL;DR: You're advocating the same tactics used by those you so abhor on a platform where the demographic calls each other nazis in the comments like it's a cheat code to winning an argument. I've already explained why this rhetoric is dangerous.
scabs. they’re the equivalent of scabs. are scabs at a labor strike ok with you?
i’d like to continue our thread here. i am starting to understand something about your train of thought. see my scab reply and let me know what you think there. or here. either way.
to me, the logistics trucker that puts his humanity at risk by trucking for the nazi camps is … I get it. he’s working class, paycheck to paycheck… but that’s a formula we’ve seen before huh?
a scab in a nursing home or shipping dept or air traffic control is the same formula.
remember, what the first nazi cohorts did was legal when they did it. the camps. the logistics. all of it. (except for that long knives thing)
are we to forgive folks just following orders? just getting by? maybe the trucker is more human than the director of the camp, sure.
i am still going to remind him and others, for the rest of their lives, they supported this “legal” monstrosity of death.
I'm done. I'm fucking done. You've moved the goalposts so far beyond the original that I don't think we're even in the same state we started out in.
Bottom line: You were espousing dangerous rhetoric given how flippantly people around here resort to calling others nazis (the subjects of articles and other users both). You can't just deem/call someone a nazi and use that as an excuse for "anything goes". I've explained how that is a dangerous cocktail.
Say what you will. If it's in violations of the rules, it'll probably get modded. If the behavior repeats, you may get a ban. That's not specific to you; it applies to everyone. In no way are mod actions here to be interpreted as anything other than maintaining a civil atmosphere and adherence to the community rules and the LW TOS.
Don't like it? Go over to YPTB and whine and spin another tall tale about how mods here are fascist bootlickers because we won't let people screech for violence. Or you can go find another community that allows that kind of bullshit. Frankly, I don't give a fuck.,
I've explained the rationale behind the mod actions clearly and more than once. If you don't get it by now, I'm not going to entertain you any further.
Fuck nazis.
I never said they don’t deserve human rights. I’ve said they are not human. They trade all humanity when they choose to be nazis. Why are you tolerant of nazis enough to not see this point as a repercussion of their own choices?
I never said they don’t deserve human rights. I’ve said they are not human.
That's literally dehumanizing. I don't know how you think there's a difference. If you decree that someone is not human, then what else can you possibly call that?
Why are you tolerant of nazis enough...
I'm not. That's just the conclusion you jumped to because I modded you for dehumanizing people in the same way the ones you have such strong opinions about have done. Again, yes, the paradox of tolerance exists, but it is not a blank check for that kind of behavior.
You cannot dehumanize that which is not human. THEY dehumanize themselves. Look, I am not going to budge from this mindset. They are physically in meatspace human. But their hearts, minds, souls, and intentions are no longer such. They simply cannot be trusted let alone given an inch.
Bottom line look you got a job to do. Calls for violence? Spams? Yadda yadda. Modding aint easy. But for all that is honest - stop pretending it is somehow important to remind people nazis are human too. “dehumanizing” is your thing, I get that. But look at your audiences and the replies you’ve “inspired” by your action.
The reason is in the modlog ¯(ツ)_/¯
Looking at the modlog, it was because the comment section was turning into a lynch mob, frothing at the mouth, and calling for more and more intense violence. Hiding behind "I'm totally joking, but..." isn't the magic shield you think it is.
No, this isn't Reddit, but that doesn't mean we're going to platform calls for violence and extremism.
Okay thanks I will take your word that those “violent comments” were there, since you hold all the evidence. I’m an adult and know if calls for violence go too far, I don’t need a mod to hide stuff from me and delete and lock comments without explanation.
They're literally in the modlog - all you have to do is look.
Alright I appreciate this but on mobile this isn’t always a convenient option. Mod removals should link to this automatically and be more transparent for why comments were removed in the first place. All I see is aggressive tactics and in this day and age speech should be protected first before automatic censorship.
Mod removals should link to this automatically and be more transparent for why comments were removed in the first place
I linked to the modlog through Lemmy World's instance of Tesseract. I'm the dev of that UI, and I agree with you that removal reasons should be more accessible.
A version or two ago I built in a feature to automatically resolve the removal reason and append it where the comment would be, right there in the comment section. If that's disabled, there's a button to take you to the modlog for that item.
If Tesseract isn't your cup of tea, maybe ask the dev of your client to add a similar feature.
Lmao they got me too
