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Before And After: The Iranian Nuclear Sites Targeted By US Airstrikes

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Satellite imagery taken before and after the June 22 US strike on three Iranian nuclear fuel enrichment sites at Isfahan, Fordow, and Natanz. US President Donald Trump claimed key Iranian nuclear sites had been "obliterated," while Iran claimed it had removed nuclear material before the strikes.

Satellite imagery taken after the US strike on Iran's Fordow site showed smoke rising from the fuel enrichment plant. US President Donald Trump claimed key Iranian nuclear sites had been "obliterated," while Iran claimed it had removed nuclear material from the sites before the strikes.

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Before And After: The Iranian Nuclear Sites Targeted By US Airstrikes

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The United states is a terrorist country.
- The administration running the country are terrorists who target people, domestic and foreign. Please don't blame the people.
  
  Saying “The United States is a terrorist country” is exactly not blaming the working class people. The state itself is run by and operated by fascist terrorists.
  
  I hope you don't think it's just the current administration. I don't blame the majority of the populace (in the same way I don't blame the average Israeli or Russian for example), but as a political entity this is nothing new for the USA.
  Edit: or rather, from the outside looking in, this doesn't feel particularly off brand
  
  "The administration" is (usually!) used to refer to the monolithic entity that continues without interruption (office of the prez, congress etc), "this administration" is used to refer to the specific current government/clarify in cases of ambiguity. Weird quirks of american english, what fun...
  (Not disagreeing to be clear. Although this is a bit more transparently "dancing to the tune of the puppet master" than most of the US's other forays into the mid. east, I must say.)
  
  find me a US President who didn't do/oversaw/allow war crimes?
  I'll wait
  it's not a just a Trump issue
  
  Yes...?
  
  You disagree with the current war, the entire world is on fire because of US imperialism and colonization, and you can't distance yourself from all the benefits and pride you get from the "good side" of America.
  Just like you can't separate America from it's history of being built on the backs of slaves and the institutional oppression that still comes from that, you can't separate your current comforts as an American from their direct causes: oppression and stealing the resources of other nations and using all your "most deadly military's" best stealth bombers and biggest bombs to bully the world through threats of regime change and economic sanctions. Trump isn't what's bad about America, he's just an accelerated conclusion to neo-liberal politics, this is Bill Clinton's America!
  
  Don't forget about Russia, they are doing horrible shit all the same. It's not only US imperialism.
  
  I’m an American and I hate to break this to you but the people elected this clown. That’s how it works here. You didn’t vote for him? Okay. But until you’re doing absolutely everything you can to prevent people like him being elected, you don’t get to just shrug off responsibility. I know exactly two people who are doing everything they can, and neither of them is me.
  
  It's a tough one. Even the people who voted for him are mainly guilty of being gullible. Noone is born maga. They get indoctrinated. The gullible believe it, the rest make up all the stories about family political arguments at holiday dinners...
  
  That’s fairly true of everyone and everything. We are born into a culture and it influences us greatly. I don’t think adults get any kind of a pass because of that. Certainly Americans of voting age have options about what to think and believe, regardless of where they start out.
  
  That's basically victim blaming. You are implying they have a choice to be less gullible? And yeah, it is a large group, the size of it doesn't really matter. The powers that be are taking advantage of the masses for thier own purposes. And they know they are doing it.
  
  As an outsider, I don't blame the people who voted for him the first time but the second time? Nope. People had a choice to be less gullible because there was evidence that he is not fit to lead: felony charges, nepotism, incompetence, derangement etc.
  It's cognitive dissonance from the top down.
  
  That's not how gullible works. You don't have a choice. Evidence doesn't matter if you are convinced it is fake news. And yes, I have met people who really believed all of that was fake news.
  
  ... Yes it is.
  And this.
  Gullibility is a failure of social intelligence in which a person is easily tricked or manipulated into an ill-advised course of action
  Don't forget that most of American media outlets aren't very conservative, compared to places like Australia and China, for example, where a majority if not all the media is owned and operated by a single entity.
  Australia managed to shirk the rise of Dutton and the Liberal party, which is GOP-wannabe-lite, and we kicked them to the curb even though almost all of our media did a massive scaremongering campaign and was constantly doing puff pieces and character assassinations.
  So, I'm saying that you all do have a choice and, additionally, you all desperately need access to proper mental healthcare because only truly sick and gullible people could vote for Trump again.
  
  Neither of those links have anything to do with people having a choice to be less gulible. They are just definitions of the words with examples of use. Gullibility is a personal trait, not a choice. You mention accessing proper mental healthcare... good luck in the US. Besides, these people are being fed the line that they aren't the ones who need help. Not to mention being convinced that the mental health professionals are transition toddler between sexes (which of course they aren't). So they avoid even seeking the care.
  
  But that's my point regarding healthcare. You guys just accept the status quo and this is where it has gotten you. It was never always like this in America; it's just that the noose has slowly been tightening around your necks and you just... Let it be.
  It's always a choice. You can stand there with your mouths agape and be fed with hook, line and sinker. Or you can choose to seek out the information, have conversations, choose to listen and process, choose to be open minded...
  Just like choosing to bury your head in the sand is also a choice. A Florida rep recently chose to ignore evidence and reality and blame the opposition for almost dying after having an abortion. She can also afford mental healthcare but obviously chooses not to.
  Avoidance is still a choice. Remaining apathetic is a choice. Remaining ignorant is a choice. Voting for a felon, for a second time, is a choice.
  
  I’m saying they are adults and they have some responsibilities. I have lived in a place where thought options were actively suppressed, and I know how much freedom and information access Americans have. It’s true there is abuse and manipulation and lying out there. But no, I am not comfortable calling MAGAts victims and blaming someone else for how they vote. They are indeed getting fooled, but let’s be real: it’s a “fool me twice” situation in Trump’s second term.
  
  But look at the data. Forvthe most part it is the red states he is hurting the most. They litterally are the victums. Doesn't stop me from hating them, but I know the blame doesn't really belong on them. The people who deserve the blame just want us to blame them.
  
  They go on their gut, not on data. And that too is a choice they make as adults which I think we can hold them responsible for.
  
  You need to try to talk to more of these people. There are some who deserve blame, but not nearly as many as you think. Being an adult doesn't automatically make a person capable of good decisions.
  
  I’m not saying it does, but as an adult you are responsible for your choices. None of what you’re saying would ever stand up in court.
  
  And Trump is that way because he's an unintelligent nepobaby. We have to draw a line somewhere.
  
  Trump is mostly a pawn really. The people pulling the strings is where the line should be drawn. They know what they are doing is wrong, but do it anyway.
  
  Isn't that what the US constantly does other countries?
  
  I would agree with you.
  but after years of propaganda saying that Gaza needs to be killed because of a 2006 election. I think that logic needs to be applied to the country making that propaganda. The US voted for it very recently, no excuses.
  
  This orange maniac and his entourage could only get this far because of a good portion of "the people".
  
  I live in the US. I blame 40% of the people at a minimum, and likely more than that.
  
  60%. Non-voters don't get a pass.
  
  You kinda have to, as it is a democracy, at least on paper...
  
  Gaza had an election in 2006, which is used as a justification for a genocide.
  under that logic there's a greater claim to genocide the US.
  Double standards
  
  Directly dismantling democracy. Directly brought terrorists to power. The peace that Israel wanted trampled underfoot and attacked again and again... 7 Oct then caused a backlash... Now they pretend to be the victim... but for the 7th they celebrate anyway... Ah yes, the calls for genocide against Israel ( and the whole West ) etc were also....
  
  The funny thing is that no other country's citizens get that benefit.
  Israel? Evil for slaughtering palestinians Russia? Evil for the war on ukraine
  The united states voted trump in, sure some were opposed, but the country chose the administration. Americans should be internationally reviled, we have committed an atrocity via democracy.
  
  What are you talking about? I have yet to see someone mean “working class Jews” when saying “fuck Israel.”
  Nation states, all of them, even the recently fake ones like Israel, are run by evil people.
  
  You should look closer, for example at the responses to iran bombing israel, "fafo" and the like are the most common, clearly blaming the citizens who are lamenting in the videos with the government's actions.
  To be clear I'm on the side of reduced suffering for all people, and really only advocating for my country (the US) to take responsibility for the suffering we inflict.
  
  All civilians have a right to live free, happy lives
  It's the structures that keep putting people in power that are to blame
- Death from the sky wherever we judge it to be right. It’s some Death Star shit.
- Since 1898.
  
  What an odd choice... I know you're referring to the USS Maine and invasion of Cuba, but that was not the start.
- America is the model the Nazis looked up to.
  
  I've heard that before too but if you are going to try and convince anyone an actual source will help.
- I was so surprised when California Protester Shootings happened and everybody acted surprised.
  I had always just assumed that the US is a terrorist state and these things happen regularly. It surprised me a lot when people acted all shocked about it.

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