‘They Treat Us Worse Than Animals’: Working Without Water at Amazon
‘They Treat Us Worse Than Animals’: Working Without Water at Amazon
Exclusive: Amazon bosses forced staff at the company's Bristol warehouse to work without access to drinking water and toilets — the latest example of the company's hyper-exploitative employment practices.
Okay I’m gonna get absolutely blasted for this, but here it goes.
Water went out in the warehouse at 3:45am, the last workers on that shift went home at 5:00am it sounds like. And the next shift which was to start at 7am was called and told not to come in because there was a water issue.
They were called back into work when the issue was fixed.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with this at all according to the facts as stated in the article.
They were without water for about an hour before they were scheduled to go home. It would take about that long for management to even recognize the issue, contact the city and get a timeline for repair. In the meantime, just keep working until they figure out how long it’ll take to fix, and when it is clear that it’ll take awhile, call the next shift and tell them they will reopen when the water is fixed.
Sounds absolutely reasonable to me.
But I know everyone loves shitting on amazon, so this post is gonna get murdered
193I will cheerfully shit on Amazon every day, which is why shit articles like this piss me off. Amazon does plenty of real harm, but articles like this give this make people think "well, if this is their workplace mistreatment, then it's not that bad."
It is that bad, but this isn't an example of that. This could happen anywhere, to anyone, even the most ethical company/co-op/whatever on the planet. They handled it well. So let's go after them for actual shit instead.
112See, the real trick amazon does is that no one is ever without a drink.
because if the water goes out, the workers can just pick up the piss bottles from the previous shift who had to piss in the aisle since they arent allowed to go to the bathroom.
Just imagine how many pissy fingerprints and straight piss might be on those packages your getting, having plenty of time to dry between boxing and delivery.
13You're not wrong, I work for the government and if our utility services shut off for more than an hour I think we go home. People are saying that time without water would suck but I mean they are pissing in bottles and shitting in buckets. Does that make it right, no. But unless you have a medical emergency an hour fifteen is not going without water.
12Well yeah they are pissing in bottles, but that's every day.
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Yes but amazon has shown a history of not giving a shit about its workers
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4The article says the water went out at 3:00, not 3:45. The shift ends at 4:45, again from this article. That's nearly 2 hours without drinking water or toilet facilities. That's a fairly long time.
Your also wrong about the next shift and the notification. Again, in this article....
The issue continued during the day shift. ‘They emailed dayshift workers at 7 AM to not come to work when the starting time is 7:45 AM, so many were already on site or on their way to work,’ explains Hannah.
They sent an email, not a phone call, 45 minutes before the shift started. I'd be surprised if any of the employees checked their email at the last minute before leaving for work. It goes on to say that many employees come from a town an hour away. The email was sent while many employees were already on their 1-1.5 hour commute. The. They told them just go home.
Then, at 12:30, they messaged the employees that the water was on and they needed to be back at work in half an hour or they would not be paid for it.
Your description of events does not at all match what the article describes. Do you really think Amazon's behavior is acceptable ad I and the article describe it?
4The issue continued during the day shift. ‘They emailed dayshift workers at 7 AM to not come to work when the starting time is 7:45 AM, so many were already on site or on their way to work,’ explains Hannah.
Many workers travel to the Bristol site from the Newport area, roughly an hour and a half away. GMB union organiser Marie McDonald says workers were told to go home and advised that they would be paid for the day. But at about half past twelve, they received a message from the site saying that the water was back on, and they were expected to be on-site by one o’clock. ‘You’ve got to bear in mind that a lot of our members travel great distances to get to work. The bus stop in Newport is not centrally located. They have to walk for half an hour, so many couldn’t get on the bus in time to get back to Bristol,’ she tells Tribune.
One of our members, who couldn’t physically get to the site, was told they would have to take annual leave if they couldn’t get to the site. She doesn’t have any annual leave, so she’s being penalised for an issue completely out of her control. As far as I’m concerned, Amazon is putting productivity over staff safety.’
That sounds “absolutely reasonable”to you? Really? I hope I never work for someone with standards like that.
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I don't buy on Amazon anymore. Not only to they treat their employees like crap, but also it's harder and harder to find quality stuff on their platform. Fake reviews are a huge problem.
52Completely agree. Don’t use them for numerous reasons now, one (of many) being the amount of cheap junk cluttering up the search results with fake reviews.
12Is there an actual alternative general online store that treats its employees well and has good prices on decent products? I'm all for supporting a different online retailer over Amazon.
4Similarly, I've been trying to purchase less on Amazon, but the brick and mortar stores around me are also giants (namely Walmart). I haven't been doing a good job of it, but I feel like part of the process of getting away from Amazon is also accepting some inconvenience and seeking things out from local shops.
Things though like detergent, toilet paper, etc, I really don't know who sells them other than big box stores.
6Depends where you're from but I don't know any who's global like Amazon is.
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While there's definitely a lot of crap on there I've gotten pretty good at picking out stuff that's good for the price. I got this magnetic phone case and wallet combo and was actually baffled it was comparable to something I'd buy at say Macy's or something. Nothing fancy but well made and cheap. And it didn't explode. But I see most people have trouble with it including my SO. He will buy stuff sometimes and it's just trash. The Amazon brand stuff though is surprisingly good and we had swarn not to buy anything that said Amazon on it lol. Oh well.
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I bet everyone shitting on amazon in the comments has a amazon package on thier doorstep right now lol.
16I don't see how one invalidates the other. Amazon's predatory practices have killed off the competition and created a sizable price gap. Not everyone has the luxury of voting with their money.
36I haven't noticed their prices being lower in most cases. Check eBay. It's usually about 10% cheaper.
They haven't killed competition. There are hundreds of other online places to buy stuff for most items, too.
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I agree with the dude about the Apple products. I think the third and fourth panels are straw man arguments.
You can choose to dislike Apple's practices. However, if you know about their labor issues yet still buy their products, then their suffering is not important enough. You might have your reasons to get an iPhone, but no reason is going to ever nullify that you willingly understood the chain of responsibility, and elected to be a contributor to the problem.
This matters in the aspect of Apple devices because there are dozens of very reasonable hardware vendors and hundreds of phones to choose from, yet you purchased the one that you know has poor practices. It's like living in a rural area, and buying eggs from the guy that kicks their chickens. Then complaining about it while making dinner with them.
The seat belt is a straw man argument here because car manufacturers did not cause labor problems by not having a seat belt. It was simply because the safety of seat belts were not realized, yet. This has nothing to do with labor at all, and is a silly argument.
By pretending that old cars are like Apple phones, and claiming that the argument against old cars is silly, then complaining about Apple must be silly. However, complaining about Apple is valid, and has nothing to do with old cars. This is a textbook straw man fallacy.
Then, the strip goes to volume 11 with the straw man arguments on the fourth pane by comparing improving society with Apple's unfair labor. It assumes that you fell for the straw man fallacy about old cars, which primes you for this pane. With the rest of the strip, it implies that if you live in a society (which we all do), then you cannot complain about Apple's labor issues. Additionally, the quip about being "very intelligent" is sarcasm, and it's an ad hominem attack against the critical thinker: you.
You absolutely can complain about Apple's labor issues, and you can choose to not participate in it by funding their labor. Additionally, you can still be somewhat concerned about the labor issues, but not be concerned enough to buy from other vendors. This is arguably hypocritical, but pretending that you cannot do both or have other opinions presents another fallacy: the false dichotomy fallacy.
In other words, this comic sucks. If you fell for it, then you're simply human, and that's okay, but please be aware that these arguments are the cornerstones of propaganda. They're easy to fall for if you're not looking for them, and it will make you believe in things that you wouldn't ordinarily believe.
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My household has not bought anything from them since before the pandemic. Unfortunately, this means relying on Walmart, which isn't much better, but at least they get toilet breaks.
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2your account is a month old lol gtfoh
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Curious
0Yeah because you can totally reasonably not participate in capitalism while living in a capitalist country who happens to be arguably the strongest super power in the world.
Take your pompous, self righteous ass the fuck out of here so the adults can work on solutions with each other through understanding and planning.
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This is normal in the United States and has been for a long time. When i was a homeless LGBT teenager trying to survive, i went to a temp agency trying to make a living some other way than SW. They sent me to this warehouse where a bunch of felons and ESL people were working in some of the most inhumane conditions i had ever seen before. 12 hour days in a 110 degree warehouse working with toxic industrial chemicals that we had no information on, with a bare minimum of PPE, intense physical labor moving large stacks of equipment, and one break at the 6 hour mark to drink water. Most of the people there had been there a while. They just had this quiet resignation and determination to survive.
I didn't even last a single day. I started to feel heat stroke coming on around the 8 hour mark. Shivering, no more sweat, everything started to feel distant and confusing. I tried to go get water and they wouldn't let me, so i threw all my equipment on the ground and stumbled outside to find water, and never went back. I'm white, trans, and feminine enough to survive other ways, but most of those people didn't have any other options.
Fuck this monstrous place. I've been radicalized ever since seeing things like that.
12one of the most fucked things about america is that it seems like whenever you have a shitty work environment, it's actually fine because
a) it builds character. complaining is weakness.
b) the company has to make a profit
like zero cognizance of human rights or quality of life. just, it is what it is, deal with it or you're a sNoWFlAkE.
from grade school to now peers have looked at me weird for simply complaining when something is shitty, which i've never understood. like oh we can't use headphones while we work 8 hrs washing dishes? you just take that? ok i'm going to stare at a wall because a guy said so? wtf?
13That's the thing that has always driven me crazy about our way of speaking about these things. Politicians say "we created x jobs" like it's something to optimize for. People fear automation because it takes away their livelihoods. But, automating work and eliminating jobs should make people's lives... better? Why doesn't it actually? Where did the wires get crossed?
Why did we incentivize making humans suffer, at a grand societal level? Are we insane?
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It might be somewhat normal in the US, but it's frightening to see in the UK, a country that supposedly actually has employee rights.
4There are, but apparently Amazon chose to ignore them because they see their employees as subhuman.
Hopefully this particular warehouse gets its arse handed to it but I very much doubt it will unfortunately.
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Honestly I call bullshit that they would not let you drink water. Or maybe more correct, some individual for maybe unfair reasons, took a dislike to you and made your situation so unbearable you would quit.
-1You in 1911: "I call bullshit that a factory would lock it's fire exits, the workers at the Triangle Shirtwaist factory are to blame!"
You in 1919: "I call bullshit that a distillery would not employ engineers to maintain its molasses storage at a reasonable temperature, the Boston Purity Distilling Company did nothing wrong!"
You in 1936: "Theres no way the people who oversaw the building of the Hoover Dam would let their workers just suffocate to death underground due to lack of ventilation! They probably just forgot to breathe!"
You in 1991: "I call bullshit that a factory would lock it's fire exits, the workers at the Imperial Foods Chicken Factory workers are to blame!"
You in 2005: "It is impossible that BP would simply ignore safety procedures and not repair broken safety equipment at their gas plant in Texas, those people probably set themselves on fire!"
You in 2021: "There is no chance in hell that the Foundation Food Group of GA USA would not train employees, get permits, provide PPE, or install safety devices when working with liquid nitrogen, those workers probably were probably enjoying autoerotic asphyxiation on company time!"
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Animals can form unions
10Unfortunately not most of them
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I've been avoiding Amazon since 2010. No regrets. They crave your time, money, and attention, and they deserve none of those. (Same with Meta.)
7It's easy to avoid giving them your money directly, but preventing your money from trickling up to Bezos via websites that use AWS is a hell of a lot more difficult!
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Scamazon.
7I stopped using Amazon. It used to fill the niche of "I need this particular thing how" but honestly, 2 day shopping has been a lie for a while. If I need something that bad I can find a store with it. If I need something specific I can order manufacturer direct.
4I've been boycotting amazon for years and it's great
2no water---no piss.
why can't you woke tankies understand this is what it takes to disrupt and innovate the marketplace? why do you hate progress?
-5I don't think you will find many people here on Lemmy who will disagree on this. Remember that Lemmy is heavily left leaning. Most of us just aren't far left. No one is gonna call you a tankie for saying people should have access to water at work. People are gonna call you a tankie when you start denying gulags, claim that Stalin was a good person or that spying on everyone for the greater good is a great idea.
14There are a lot of layers to why this comment is dumb.
Hexbear, but that's low hanging fruit.
Troll, again low hanging.
They were without water for an hour.
So here you are trolling about something, with the implication that it's actually an issue as if you have some kind of high ground here: when really all you've done is show you didn't actually read what happened.
3 layers of dumb. Impressive, if it wasn't standard hexbear dribble.
Edit: I realized it's actually 4. Amazon is a shit company, so behaving like this is a real issue when Amazon has done some other actually fucked up things completely trivializes the problem.
Just like with trans people, hexbears best feet forward often ends up setting them back. Crazy.
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