Amazon saved children's voices recorded by Alexa even after parents asked for it to be deleted. Now it's paying a $25 million fine.
Amazon saved children's voices recorded by Alexa even after parents asked for it to be deleted. Now it's paying a $25 million fine.
"For too long, Amazon has treated children's sensitive data as its own property," Josh Golin, executive director of Fairplay, said in a statement.
Amazon saved children's voices recorded by Alexa even after parents asked for it to be deleted. Now it's paying a $25 million fine.::"For too long, Amazon has treated children's sensitive data as its own property," Josh Golin, executive director of Fairplay, said in a statement.
This isn't a "fine" to Amazon. 25 million dollars is just the cost of business.
Make this 250 or 500 million and then... Maybe.... it's a fine.
159Fuck it. Hit them with a couple of billion and THEN companies might stop being shitheads to basic human rights.
61Totally agree. Facebook should have been absolutely crippled financially after influencing an election, but they get off scot free.
My idea is this:
Instead of a maximum fine being applied, you take a violation, lets say influencing an election, and you calculate how much of the corporations revenue came from that source. (i.e. Facebook messenger revenue would not count for election manipulation). Then, take a huge portion of that revenue (60%, 70%? [Depending on the violation]) and take that from their revenue. Who gives a shit if Facebook literally has to close down one of their services from lack of finances, thats what they get.
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This isn't entirely correct, the $25M fine is a slap on the wrist sure, but this is a COPPA ruling, which essentially means it's a $25M slap on the wrist and a "delete the data and change the way you're doing shit now or else". Nobody has gotten to the "or else" with COPPA afaik, but you'd essentially be risking daily fines until fixed and risk losing operating rights in the US entirely. Would that actually happen to Amazon? We'll never know, because they're going to fix it before they get there. Not worth the risk.
This is a win. Not every ruling has to bankrupt a company, changing how they operate through legal process is a good thing. This is how regulation is formed.
31Fair enough, good reply.
Upvoted :)
(Maybe Lemmy will bring back some good discussions in threads like these...)
I think the public gets fatigued when we hear about the profits these companies make and then we see these comparatively small fines.
If this is how we "steer the vessel of regulation" then I can accept that this is a push in a better direction.
However, I still feel that a fine in the hundreds of millions, ( not bankrupting but a "shot in the leg" versus a "slap on the wrist"), is appropriate for these very large corporations. They already weild so much political and economic power that consequences for things like this should be higher.
In other words, let's encourage them to operate responsibly in the first place.
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This. Fines should not be fixed at a specific amount, but rather as a percentage of the total income of the company for a year. Just as laws are regulated according to technological advances, fines must also be regulated to truly impact companies and make them think twice before breaking the law.
25Business fines should always be dealt in percentages.
8It shouldn't be a fine at all. It should be jailtime for executives involved, and asset seizure.
1It does depend on how many violations there were. If it was 1, then that's a hefty fine. If it's a million, then yes.... Cost of business.
-3That's not how laws work.
If you break the law, you deal with the consequences.
It's not a "game system" where additional infractions lead to multipliers of consequences.
Child labor laws exist because we saw what happened in the past when they did not exist. We, as a society, care about our children enough to protect them. That includes preventing them, by law, from working in industrial environments.
Some states seem inclined to repeat the past by repealing or loosening child labor laws... .
Now another child is dead as a result.
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Should have been 25% of profits. Percentage based systems work.
4525% of revenue, not profits. If it was profits then the fine would likely be $0 due to creative accounting.
52Woah we got all that data for just $25m? Bargain.
18Lolololol 25% of profits for keeping on to recordings for too long? You people are insane. You just hate Amazon and want to stick it to them.
The irony is none of these lemmy instances are run by companies with registrations and can do whatever the fuck they want when your data yet everyone is a okay cause pinky promise I hate Reddit too! 🤦♂️
-29A penalty should be something you want to avoid. A 25 million (occasional) fine for Amazon is like asking me to pay a .25 (occasional) fine for, say, no parking. It has no deterrence.
On the other hand, a percentual on the profits is a lot more deterrent, expecially for a company. Maybe 25% is too much, I agree, but let's say a 2-5% of the profits is not that bad.
Note that a fine that is a percentual of your profits (or income) is far more balanced because it hurts the small and the big company the same way.
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$25 million? Jeff Bezos had so much money he could probably just tip that amount to whatever servant he has who polishes his head with an orbital buffer.
41Heck depending on how many voice recordings there are, they might be able to make 25 million selling that off for AI training some day...
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$25 million? That's ridiculously cheap.
36did jeff bezos downvote your comment?
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I'm sure if it was a $2.5bn fine, they'd be much more careful about customer privacy going forwards...
30Yep, but it never will be a $2.5 billion fine.
8Meta had been fined $1.3 billion this year by the European Union's GDPR. Before that Amazon was fined $781 million.
So 2.5 billion could happen, but not in the US obviously.
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I remember when people were trying to convince me that Alexa wasn’t recording every thing you said. Now here we are.
30That's like fining me $0.10
29You’re fined for 0.10$
Meet me a my office!
6Can I use the fine as a tax deduction?
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Oh no, don't throw me into the briar patch!
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$25 million dollars. That's just pocket change for Amazon.
25Why even fine corporations at this point? Put the ones involved behind bars and shut the company down, liquidate their assets, and divide it to the victims when they do criminal shit.
25If the death penalty exists and corps are people, why aren't companies being executed?
16If that actually were the punishment, you'd actually see companies behaving a lot less evil very quickly. A tiny fine that isn't even a blip in the companies pocket won't do anything.
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25 million? They made $514 billion in net sales last year. 25mil is a fucking rounding error for them.
20Yeah? What's that; 14 seconds of their profits?
20Right. 25 mil per second of recording is more appropriate.
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Fines mean legal for a price and it's only effective if it costs more to pay it than the profit made from it
18That fine should have to be 25 billion, not million. Then they'd actually learn a lesson.
13Like $25 million is laundry change for them. They will probably pay it in quarters.
13That's 0.0001x their 2022 profit or 0.01%. If I did my math correctly, it's about 58 minutes of profit.
11I wonder what they thought the device was going to do
11Ah, 25 million per child? Finally a fine big enough to make a tech company feel conseque--
[Touches earpiece] one moment, I'm getting an update--
9yawn. $0.01 fine for Amazon. Cool
9and to pay the US government $25 million within the next week
This is dumb. Not only is that pocket change to Amazon, none, absolutely zero dollars of that is going to the parents and kids affected. They’re the ones that asked for it to be deleted. They’re the ones that got recorded. NOT the US government.
9The article does say there are private lawsuits pending. I would guess that will include more payouts from amazon and money to the families.
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You'd have to be a fucking idiot to install one of these devices and not expect this to happen, lol.
7Permanently Deleted
6Another reason not to have that shit in your house.
6Fines like this should be calculated based on % of corporations net assets. Something like this, say 5-10%. That would at least get their attention.
Same with personal fines honestly, percentage of income or total wealth, depending on the crime.
5Fuck these corporate oligarchs.
4Wow a whole 25 million? I am sure that will teach them!!! /s
3That fine for them is like a trip to McDonald's for me in terms of worth.
I think. Math might be off. But like 25 bucks assuming Amazon is worth $1T
1Damn look at you, Mr. Fancy Pants, earning buckets of cash!
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If you were actually dumb enough to put one of these listening devices in your home owned by the most powerful & greedy company on the planet you deserve to have your privacy invaded. People are fucking stupid.
-2i mean my brother bought them and refuses to remove them. There is no convincing him to remove them. They are in basically every room and nobody defends me when I want them gone because of convenience.
I cannot even ask for the data to be erased because it is not on my account.
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