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Dutton praises Canada to sell nuclear plan. But does Ontario really have cheaper power? | Temperature Check

www.theguardian.com Dutton praises Canada to sell nuclear plan. But does Ontario really have cheaper power? | Temperature Check

Opposition leader’s argument is puzzling given Canadian provinces dominated by renewables pay less for electricity

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  • So I think what Dutton is trying to say is that we should have state-owned energy generation with government-set electricity prices. Sounds like the Liberals have gone socialist!

    Correlation does not imply causation and that this is a very poor "experiment" since the majority of Ontario's energy generation comes from renewables (from article). But unfortunately this doesn't matter for many people as much as it should, it's easy just to get your opinions from politicians or people online and in difficult times the easy solution is the preferred one. I suppose this leads to a deeper question as to whether representatives in a representative democracy should use their position for what is effectively lobbying of the democracy to have votes be cast in their favour. You can have a dictatorship with voting, where the candidate is whoever did a better job at convincing the people that they are right and "they" are wrong. Maybe we round up the "they" and send them away, maybe their opinions are a threat to our very way of life.

    wtf am I saying - it's 10:45pm goodnight

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    • So, you comment put me in mind about the latest Gaurdian essential poll podcast I listened to tonight.

      Lewis and Remeikis in their discussion really hit on Dutton's strategy. And discuss why he hasn't tacked back toward the Teal vote. Just like the revanchivist style populists he's connected with around the world, neoliberalism is quickly being discarded for more authoritarian power structures. So maybe in Dutton's mind, and those like him, socialist v capitalist has ceased to be an argument that can sway them.

      I don't know, don't think i've got that quite right. But theres something in amongst all of it.

      https://open.spotify.com/episode/0vDPkKWkUgBJszOW2jGglw?si=dnamuUj8SVmlq4tuFlOO8A

      p.s. Sorry about the spotify link, tried to get the RSS link but something went wrong with it, (maybe my phone browser, DDG, and the Guardian website?), and it ended up loading the document tree.

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      • I've found it hard to motivate myself to listen to the recent essential poll podcasts as the headline numbers involve near majorities believing in patently false information about renewables and nuclear, and 30% being willing to vote for Trump (if he ran in Australia). It's just depressing that people can be so far from reality, although I get that even highly educated people may not know key facts if they haven't looked into the issue.

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      • I wonder how much Dutton's strategy will depend on the results of the QLD election. David Crisafulli is using similar tactics (except anti-renewable and not pro-nuclear), he keeps making emotional appeals to Queenslanders telling us what's wrong with the state, advocating for tougher punishments for crime (policy on the other hand is pretty much Labor's). The most concerning promises he's made is to make preferencing optional in QLD elections. i.e. remove the best feature of our democracy. Supporters reckon that those which support mandatory preferencing are just sore because their party lost.

        Something I find really concerning about Dutton and his flock is the normalisation of disparaging science with "common sense". Imagine spending 4-5 years of your life building up HECS debt then, spending more time (and HECs) doing a PhD just for the tough ex-cop from Queensland to say no, you're wrong.

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