War is barbarism, and we Americans have voted for more warmongering than our next ten competing countries combined. Please keep pretending we're the good guys while our country is going on eight years of aiding Saudi Arabia in starving Yemen.
a missile strike on a historic cathedral – one that was consecrated by the patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, no less, killing one and hospitalizing fourteen
So you think words of an Ukrainian priest about Russian atrocities published by a British media source are invalid because... Americans vote for warmongering? Really?
Or do you believe barbarism is a zero-sum game and only one place in the whole wide world can engage in it at the same time?
And finally, you say "This isn't barbarism. War is barbarism" - what exactly do you believe is happening in Ukraine right now?
You contradicted yourself in just six words, that's some impressive gymnastics.
The reason whataboutism is such a lame debating "tactic" is that you're literally agreeing with the position that you're supposedly trying to argue against. "Doing X is terrible." "Yeah, well, America does X, so America is terrible too." Yes... so?
“Yeah, well, America does X, so America is terrible too.” Yes… so?
Take it one step further next time you're in a polling both, and actually vote for people who are against it. Think about all of the things other countries have that we don't because we ship a trillion dollars off to war each year, like health care for example.
Canada is a good example. They spend a mere 24 billion a year on war. The UK doesn't have enough funding or material to sustain war at an American rate for more than four months. Both countries have robust health care systems.
Americans can pretend that, since this is a proxy war, that no one here in our country is negatively affected, but the neglect we inflict upon our people to make war in eight countries at once means our people end up dead here. Remember that this week when the heat wave kills Americans who might otherwise have lived if they could have gotten a piece of the hundred billion in charity we gifted Ukraine.
If you feel so strongly about warmongering, you should be just as against this as you are against other nations doing the same thing.
You can be opposed to America's military industrial complex and this at the same time - unless you are deliberately trying to downplay the violence against Ukraine for some reason.