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Android Community Closure Update

We have received numerous reports from users about the closure of the c/android community. While we fully support the original community owners' decision to move to another instance, it will eventually be necessary to open up the community on Lemmy.world. The beauty of the fediverse is that multiple communities on the same subject can exist in different instances. However, if you can no longer moderate a community on Lemmy for any reason, it is important to pass it on to individuals who are willing and able to do so.

To ensure the best interests of our instance members, it is necessary to establish boundaries. Holding onto a community name cannot be a permanent arrangement. It's important to consider our users' ongoing interest in the community if they wish it to continue. While we acknowledge the objective of consolidating communities, current community members ultimately decide whether they wish to join the new community at lemdro.id.

To ensure a smooth transition, we will keep the community locked for another week, providing ample time to inform the active user base about the move to the new instance at https://lemmy.world/c/android@lemdro.id.

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  • This is why users need the ability to group multiple communities into supergroups

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    • It can't be on the users. The issue is that 2 communities can have different things going on, different rules, different events. The best way is to some how make hosting the same community across different instances by the same mods possible. Mirrored communities should be a goal, but tbh, it's just not a real issue like the scalability, general useability, and how the hot page is not a hot page, it's a rising page.

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      • The best way is to somehow make hosting the same community across different instances by the same mods possible.

        That is absolutely what you don't want.

        Let's pretend you used to use Reddit. Let's say you wanted to talk/read news about the latest video games. Luckily "gaming" exists. It's a default subreddit (or it was at one point). That must be the best place to go.

        Except... It wasn't really. Some folks thought they could do better and thus "games" was born. So now we have "gaming" and "games", two places to talk/read about video games.

        Except... They weren't really. While those subs had nobel modding goals it wasn't long before they too had issues. No, only "truegaming" could really be the best community.

        So now you have three communities, run by three different mod teams (or at least three different rule sets), "gaming", "games" and "truegaming". Which is the real community? Which is the best community? If you want to start a new community what word are you going to use? "RealGames"? "BestGaming"? "GamingGames"?

        Look at this example. Android. I like the Android mods, but what if I didn't? Or what if I think I can do better? Should I make /c/Androids or /c/TrueAndroid?

        The nice thing about the Fediverse is that we can all federate with one another but no one is overly in charge.

        Like the former Reddit Android mod team? Go sub to them in their instance. Don't like the Android sub on this instance? Don't subscribe. Think the instance admins have made a horribly wrong decision? Move to a new instance. (For the record I'm fine with the decision they've all made.)

        Unlike Reddit there isn't one big stupid CEO in charge. Instead there are a lot of small stupid admins in charge (and I do appreciate their work).

        Now, as for solutions, yes discoverabilty for Lemmy should be improved. If I find one Android community it should be easy to find others, and not just communities named "Android", but anything related across the Fediverse.

        This isn't all going to be solved in a day. Communities will fragment. Instances will fall over. New instances will rise. It's a little messy, but we'll figure it out.

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      • What you describe as the "issue" is the entire point of lemmy and decentralizing and all that.

        once lemmy starts dictating "oh you have to change things in this community in this instance to match this instance" and "everything has to follow one master set of rules" they become reddit.

        honestly the best way to solve your issue would just be multireddits, if you wanna see content from both communities just add it to a multilem or whatever they end up calling it.

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      • Respectfully disagree. For example, !reddit@lemmy.world, !reddit@lemmy.ml, and !redditMigration@kbin.social are three communities on similar topic with different mod teams, and the culture of each community is a bit different from each other.

        So, for big event like this one:

        https://lemmy.world/post/1442053

        You can access multiple posts across different instances on the same topic with one click using the crosspost links on Lemmy so it's no less convenient than one megathread, and each post will have different conversations from each other, so it's easier on the individual mod teams for the respective communities as well.

        Whereas on reddit this would have been a huge monolithic megathread and would be very hard to manage without a huge mod team.

        That's the advantage of decentralization.

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    • Would it be alright if a client app handled this logic? Where you can sort communities organize communities in a folder like interface to customize your "all" feed?

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    • IMHO it would be better to allow to post to multiple groups at once.

      At least with Jerboa this is not possible. And I often have links that I would like to discuss in different groups.

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  • Thank you admins, but it's only fair if c/android members are informed of this, as the current sticky notice there is, in the light of this thread, totally misleading as it gives the impression that 1- the community "officially" moved (not true, only one mod "officially" moved, but he wanted to also prevent those who didn't want to follow him from participating on !android@lemmy.world altogether) and 2- that it's permanently closed (not true, again in the light of this announcement). The current sticky is just false.

    Current members must explicitly know that the community will reopen in a week (though I disagree that this "waiting period" is even necessary, since that moderator already forced more than one week on us) and that if they want to stay they just have to wait. This announcement needs to be a sticky thread in !android@lemmy.world too.

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    • Thank you. A message will be posted soon in the Android community. Good catch to make sure everyone is informed.

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  • Will the old group of moderators be removed and replaced?

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    • The old mods have already left - the problem was that they locked the lemmy.world community behind them on the way out.

      I know when this all started, there were some people who volunteered to reopen the community and mod it, and contacted the admin to that end. I assume this announcement is the resolution of that - when the additional week is up, the original lemmy.world community will reopen with the new mods.

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    • If they're not interested in moderating a community here then that's really the only solution.

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      • I agree. They publicly declared their intent to abandon the community. Which it seems they have already done. There is no purpose in keeping them around as moderators if they no longer have any intent in moderating. The only logical conclusion is to find new mods.

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    • Naw this place isn’t run by corporatist pig faced savages

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  • The reasonable solution. Understanding that locking it forever would be depriving this instance of a once active community that people have volunteered to mod, but respecting that the original point of that mod team doing so was to try and consolidate instead of creating a competing community.

    My only concern now is that some of the people actively trying to escalate the whole situation into an attack on the previous mod team may be the ones running the place. I hope that isn't the case.

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  • Can someone do a ELI5/outoftheloop type summary for me? Why did the mods leave? Where did they go?

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