Winning the interview

Mainstream media benefits from another trump presidency. Trump drives ratings. Ratings means sponsors, sponsors mean revenue, revenue means shares going up.

They are corporations, not services. It's illegal for them to not do what helps their shareholders.

Mainstream media benefits from another trump presidency.

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It’s illegal for them to not do what helps their shareholders.

This has been repeatedly shown false. They have a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders, not a legal one. As Tim Apple once told an investor asking about gains on their push for environmental greenness as a company, he told them that if all they want is for the number to go up they should get out of the stock.

Cook then offered his own bottom line to Danhof, or any other critic, one which perfectly sums up his belief that social and political and moral leadership are not antithetical to running a business. “If that’s a hard line for you,” Cook continued, “then you should get out of the stock.”

https://alearningaday.blog/2016/03/12/tim-cook-on-roi

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Corporations do not have to prioritize profit above everything. The old case where that was in question is quite nuanced and worth reading about.

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- Businesses also have wide latitude in how they interpret profit mandate. They're allowed to make purely gut-driven predictions and take huge risks with little evidence on the grounds that a payoff is on the horizon.
  
  Tim Cook could blandly assert that environmental greenness does increase profits and then just hand wave in some fuzzy math about hypothetical waste management or non-renewable material costs or public sentiment. And who could argue with him over a 20 year time horizon?
  
  You can say whatever you want as a CEO and most people will reflexively trust you simply because you're in a position of authority.
  
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They ARE services. They're not services run for the benefit of the public.

I think we all got a little messed up by the few years that journalism had a bit of credibility. For the vast vast vast majority of humans on earth all forms of mass communication have been propaganda for those in power.. I mean look at the Catholic Church for the best modern example

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- Which few years are you referring to?
  
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Yea it's now an election of the old school vs new school and the passing of the torch. Boomers are going down kicking and screaming

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I make my livin' off the evenin' news Just give me somethin', somethin' I can use

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I think that's a good point. I wonder if reasonable politicians should prepare a few outlandish talking points to give the media something tasty to sink their teeth into. Like do a normal interview saying normal thoughtful and nuanced things, but also throw in a couple specific wacky clickbait nuggets so the media has what they crave for their news cycle.

Like, what if Kamala had worked this into her interview: Once his criminal trials are over, I don't think imprisonment in Attica would be appropriate for Trump as an ex president.

Leave it at that and have the media frenzy over it, even though it means nothing. Then they won't spend as much time trying to invent drama over her interview because she gave them some drama to go with.

I think that's what Trump is best at. Trump knows most of his base are dumb and the media are thirsty clickbait whores, so he treats his interviews with the decorum of a 2-bit bordello and ends up getting tons of attention that works for his base.

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- I feel that would only fuel the misinformation machine with more fake news. I’d be interested in knowing your rationale and how you feel it would be beneficial to anybody except the news organizations.
  
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- You're replying to a song lyric
  
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- I’m not sure Trump actually has any idea what’s going on around him. His nonsense just doesn’t get caught by the equally stupid base so he looks like he’s playing them. The only people that would support him are the dumbest people imaginable so it’s like saying I’m a skilled athelete based solely on the fact that I can absolutely obliterate my competition…which just so happens to be a bunch of toddlers.
  
  This isn’t to say he’s not a massive threat and that the base won’t vote him in if Americans don’t vote against him but let’s not give him any undue credit here.
  
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- Democrats don't want to create any conservative enthusiasm, so they tend to be very vague and cagey with regard to what happened to Trump next.
  
  Republicans think harsh words juice their base, so they're a lot more hot blooded with their propositions and predictions.
  
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People love it when you lose. Give us dirty laundry.

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It's a low bar. If we're now judging candidates in comparison to Trump then we're in trouble.

Trump isn't the standard. He's an anomaly, and we should aim way higher.

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Lol, name the last Republican President that wasn't a moron.

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- Roosevelt
  
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- Bush Sr. Then Nixon before that.
  
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I don't agree. A scale has to be useful for separating what you're measuring. Any scale that puts Kamala as "low" is like trying to measure the size of a banana and an orange in kilometers, they'll both measure "low". There is no decent measure by which Trump is anything but scum. Kamala (or just about anyone who isn't a Trump voter) ranks so far above Trump that they can't be anything under "excellent" on a scale designed to meaningfully compare these candidates.

Obviously the scale we should be using for our politicians SHOULD be better, and that's because we should have produced better candidates. With the candidates we have, we don't get to use a better scale because in doing so we'll be playing right into Republican narrative of "they're both the same" or Kamala is "low" quality so vote for Trump.

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Well, Trump did make a ton of people madly follow him.
It may be leading the world to ruin, but it is still leading.

I'd put the impact rating as "high".
The direction being undesirable.

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Which pundits actually said that? Most of what I've read, people were saying she did pretty well. But you sure got people here believing this meme.

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Fox news. Daily beast. Daily Mail. etc. The usual suspects. But no matter what she said or did, they were going to bash her. If she were the 2nd coming they would say she was a "trans ultra-left authoritarian".

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The winner of a political debate is whoever the audience likes more. It unfortunately has nothing to do with being a reasonable person.

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It's fucking absurd and embarrassing that crowd participation is even permitted in televised presidential debates.

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This is the folly of representative democracy. It inevitably becomes less about policy and instead a popularity contest between figureheads.

Representative democracy has run its course, and the problems it solved (the fact that it's not practical for everyone to attend places of government from far away) have all but been solved by technology. Bring on direct democracy.

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Media is a circus. Dont clown around or stick head in the lions mouth and youre gonna get a low score

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The media is owned by old white conservative men who would prefer fascism over more taxes.

The 'liberal media' is a lie

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- Had a coworker get very mad when I threw "liberal media" back in her face by noting FOX brags about being "the most watched network".
  
  She responded that FOX is too liberal.
  
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of course they did, they don't understand shit and need to drum up literally anything to get clicks lmao

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When the other candidate's performance is "rock bottom", "low" is a massive step up. Not doing the listed things shouldn't raise the evaluation to "high", because that's the bare minimum.

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I was under the impression that we all know that nearly all media pundits are greedy and suffer from some form of dementia or other brain disease.

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She also clarified her stance on Israel i.e. exactly the same as Biden, full support for genocide.

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Yeah idk why you're getting downvoted, that was one of the most disappointing parts of it.

She could have tried to wriggle around it a bit more rhetorically but she just went "I'll bang my head against the wall with Israel just like we've been doing till now."

In general it was a pretty bad showing from Harris, and Walz did only a bit better.

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- The downvotes are because that topic matters a lot, but it's also used to try to force people to become single issue voters, so they'll vote against her, all the while knowing that Trump loves genocide too, but let's not mention that.
  
  So if you wanna attack Harris on that issue, please do. You should. But remember to include Trump's stance as well, if you're trying to talk about an upcoming election.
  
  Or hey, do whatever you like, right? It's just that simplistic comments often get simplistic responses (i.e., downvotes).
  
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- i mean, it was a pretty bad show in terms of the one question she was asked. I'm not really sure why that's surprising to people.
  
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That's a lot of things she didn't do.

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Our rights on the altar of the eternal horse race!

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she also shifted right. she's gonna ruin the enthusiasm if she keeps going like this.

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how so? I see nothing to indicate that she shifted right, just that her campaign is pushing for the moderate voters, both on dem and republican sides, which is absolutely a good strategy.

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- Appealing to republicans is by definition shifting to the right
  
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She should never have agreed to it in the first place.

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With ABC?

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"political memes" what is this blue maga trash

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She approved genocide and pretended to care about global warming.

So yes, by democratic standards, that was pretty low.

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She went on camera and said ‘I am a Republican’ to the applause of Democrats.

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