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10个月前

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Back when Obama made it where you couldn't be evicted and bailed out the auto industry, I had a friend that drove a car hauler. He wasn't paying his house payment and lived for free for a year, and only had a job because of the bailout. He talked mad shit about the bailout and about people living and not paying their rent. This is republikkklown logic. I was blown away and said to him, he wouldn't have a job or a place to live if it wasn't for that. He said he'd live somewhere else and get a different job.
Since then, he lives with his wife and child in his mom's house with a shit job and complains about people being on welfare. They don't get it.
- If there’s any way they can punch down instead of address their own issues they’ll take it. It’s why they resort to going after made up nonsense or the most vulnerable.
  
  This is happening right now in Germany. In two of our 16 federal states, the fascist party got around 30% of votes through fear mongering and propaganda. In one of the states, all of the remaining parties would be needed to create a functionable government with a majority, containing the whole spectrum from left to right. I am not sure about the future of this state.
- Typical. Everyone else is an asshole, but me.
- Yeah, but he deserved that, unlike those lazy librulz.

“I’m using affordable care act! I don’t want Obamacare!”
- I literally knew a girl who said this. She truly had no idea that they were the same thing, but rattled on about wanting it gone while benefiting from it.
  I also knew an older woman who hated Obama and said "he's arrogant for naming that after himself." She didn't believe me that her favorite channel was the one who named it after him unofficially and that its official name was ACA.
  They truly just repeat bullshit until it sticks, and it usually works on the people who don't bother to diversify their information sources. It's so goddamn frustrating.
  
  She didn't believe me that her favorite channel was the one who named it after him unofficially and that its official name was ACA.
  That can't be true, because I've heard it called Obamacare 30 times. Everyone knows it!

Temporarily embarrassed millionaires…
- Te only reason they're not a millionaire yet is because of all the illegal immigrants and minorities taking all the jobs...probably

"Social Security's great for the old folks, but there's no way it'll be around when we're old"
Votes for the guy trying to destroy social security.
- I mean, technically that's correct, if they keep voting for the guy trying to destroy social security lol
  
  Ronald Reagan was cutting advertising telling people that Social Security was going to go bankrupt in a generation back in 1961.
  Then he took office in 1980 (after he'd predicted bankruptcy) on the position and "fixed" SS by raising taxes on low income Americans and gutting their benefits. But the subsequent multi-trillion dollar trust fund didn't satisfy SS scalds. They still insisted it was going bankrupt, so Republicans raised taxes and gutted benefits again under Clinton and Gingrich, while introducing alternative privatized savings programs (401k, IRA, etc).
  But that still didn't satisfy scalds. They tried to privatize the program in 2005 under Bush Jr. That failed, but we still got an earful about how SS was going to fail in the next 20 years if we didn't do something. So then Obama tried to pass another round of cuts and tax hikes in 2013, but Republicans killed that too. So then Trump claimed we were headed to a Fiscal Cliff in 2017, and tried to privatize SS, but Republicans refused to pass that either.
  At this point, we've passed repeated deadlines under which SS was supposedly going to fail. The 1970s, the 1980s, the 2000s, the 2020s... We're still waiting on the Big Cliff in 2037, but since COVID killed several million people far sooner than expected, that's thrown the math of significantly.
  I anticipate we will continue to hear people predicting the end of SS until Congress finally finds the majority they need to kill it.

The amount of people I see being payed minimum wage but dont want a living wage is insane. I don't get it
- Same vibe as:
  "I won't work overtime because I end up losing money on taxes"
  That's not how tax brackets work!
  
  That's not how tax brackets should work. But sadly for last year's state tax I came across it. [Example numbers] Previously I had 24,200 annual salary but zero tax as it was below 25,000. Even though personal deductions are 10,000, below 25 was considered too low to tax. This year, due to a mistake from employers I was paid for two weeks retroactively, now I have 25,300. Instead of taxing 300 above 25,000 the tax was for 15,300 after deduction. So I had to pay taxes which decreased the money below 25,000 which should not happen if income below 25,000 pays no tax.
  And considering there might be things like not qualifying for financial assistance and other things when you cross 25,000 (again example numbers), the actual benefit of making slightly below that, is higher than making slightly above that..
  So the system is putting a resistance to overcome poverty. Either you start making double of what you are making, or stay on your lane. Because trying to improve your situation by only a little is harmful.
  
  Work has an economic cost to it. The net present value of work is not equal to the wage.
- Lots of people working the service sector are trained to hate one another. The assumption is always that the other guy isn't pulling their weight, never that the establishment is understaffed or the staff undertrained and overworked.

What they (Republicans, conservatives, libertarians, centrists) really want is emergency departments over run with patients who can't get care for chronic conditions and then they have an excuse to repeal EMTALA. At that point they'll be able to sink people deep into medical debt and when social security and Medicare/Medicaid fails to cover the costs then we can force medically disabled people into low wage jobs and take their assets to sell at pennies on the dollar to mega corps and further consolidate wealth in this country.
We should instead create a pipeline for that wealth to flow through the lower and middle class on it's way up to the top bringing the floor up and making sure basic infrastructure like medical care has the funding it needs.
- If you make the wealthy ultra wealthy then their urine is full of healthy nutrients when they piss on you.
  That’s the basis to tinkle down economics.

No, no, they don't mean me! They mean all the people that don't deserve it!

I don't need no Obummercare, I'm covered by the Affordable Care Act!

I swear we're living in a season of South Park

But they're only going to repeal Obamacare, not the Affordable Care Act!

To be fair it's not hypocritical to use service you're entitled to and still be against it. After all, you paid for it with your taxes.
- But voting against it to remove its benefit to others is the hypocrisy. For instance, a cousin of mine was on her parents' insurance until the cutoff of 26 because of Obamacare and was all about getting rid of it. I would point out how she was only insured because of it (this was before her being 26 and booted off) and asked her what her next plan for being insured would be. Of course she didn't think that far ahead and just said she would be 26 by the time anything changed so it wouldn't matter.
  The party of grifters is aptly put.

I'm not American, but this happens a lot more than you'd think.
I live in Canada.
A relative of a friend actually voted for a party called "the People's party of Canada", and one of their goals as a party was to eliminate subsidized housing. That relative of my friend.... lived in subsidized housing and was not able to afford to have a home if not subsidized.
They literally voted for a party that, if they had won, would have made them homeless.
I don't think that the PPC won a single district (giving them no seats in government); much to their benefit and their disappointment.
Schools really need to teach critical thinking.

When you’re mad for needing healthcare.

Reminds me of all my union brothers who vote for anti union conservatives

Cool meme, but surely you realize that using a system and being against the system are not in conflict.
Then again if they like the system and think it shouldn't be dismantled and still vote for someone who wants to dismantle, that's dumb stupid.

Sounds like my retiree father-in-law who insists that Social Security isn’t a social service and should be the one exception to absolute abolition of all government services because they’re “communist.”
- Ask those same people if they will abolish paying for the military. See what they say.

In Kansas it's a hot issue to expand ACA benefits and has widely popular support. Yet we for some reason keep on voting in Republicans whose major issues are just removing tax brackets.
- Why didn’t the republican do the thing in my best interest?? shockedpikachu.jpg

You can mathematically group the people in your life in such a way so that half of the people you know are stupider than the other half.
I swear to fuckin' god, man, politics make it real easy to tell who goes in which half. It's not a perfect method, but it works at least 85% of the goddamned time.

I supported the ACA (though would’ve preferred a public option), but the one time I actually needed to use it, was for my Dad when his private insurance from his job kicked him off after retirement, the rates and coverage seemed bad, like it was just such a hassle with no great benefits. It’s only when I realized my Dad could still get Tricare that I switched over to that and that was a million times better (even more reason for govt-funded healthcare). I have no idea why my Dad hadn’t been using it the whole time either, he probably wasted tens of thousands of dollars getting private insurance. I still think ACA is a step in the right direction, BUT public option still needs to happen, Fuck Joe Lieberman for blocking that.
- It’s only when I realized my Dad could still get Tricare that I switched over to that and that was a million times better (even more reason for govt-funded healthcare).
  One of the biggest flaws of the ACA is how it's engineered to be worse than employee sponsored care. Can't actually just open up Medicare For All or you'll make the private insurance system sad.
- The ACA is good when you actually reach out to a patient care "assister" for support. You can get rates WAY lower than advertised if you work with someone who can help navigate it. I think the program is actually tremendous, but it's been made intentionally cumbersome and difficult to use by the folks trying to kill it. I've used it twice while out of work back in 2016 and again over the pandemic and had completely free plans that covered my "tier 3" prescriptions and specialist (rheumatology) appointments.

- AKA monopoly.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
  
  That's irrelevant; I'm not asking for evidence or pretending to be polite... you jerk?

"You commie liberals better keep your government hands off my Medicare!"

Voting for a candidate with the expectation to stop needing a social benefit is definitely how someone with minimum political knowledge will vote.

They think ACA is the cause of our healthcare issues not a terrible attempt to fix it

So selfless

"I did not expect the leopards to eat my face!" Said the woman who voted for The Leopards Eating Faces Party

Th ACA screwed me over pretty badly. Granted my situation wasn't the target of the act (I had non-employer private insurance, and the price more than tripled due to ACA requirements).
I don't like trump at all, but I agree with scrapping this plan and creating something better.
- Well I’m glad you’re able to make it about yourself and not consider the needs of others. You’d make a great republican.

I know Steve!

What is an obamacare?

The very same people also hate "normies" in their fandoms, and by normies they mean anyone not a cishet white man.
- I recommend you to explain this joke while furiously laughing at it...
- Oh I'm getting downvoted, so:
  Generative AI is bad, and people should fight tooth and nail in destroying it.
  China is a far-right dictatorship masquerading with leftist symbols.
  Hit the downvote button again!

You can dislike a policy and still be forced to live under it.
I have no choice but to use the American health care system, and I know how shitty it is, especially given the fact that Obama had a supermajority for a time and could have implemented universal health care. Few things will anger me as quickly as someone saying we have 'access' to health care when that supposed access is largely contingent on whether or not you can afford to be price-gouged.
Obama was not a good president.
- You’re simply wrong here. Obama tried his damndest for universal health care. Supermajority or not, the republicans in congress used every trick in the book to stymie it until they gained the majority. The ACA was a lame compromise and the worst of both worlds, but it’s still benefitted millions including those who hate illogically.
  
  Obama tried his damndest for universal health care.
  No he didn't. The Dems were offered a large lobbyist check and took it.
- You can thank Sen. Joe Lieberman for the killing of a public option. Also, https://www.huffpost.com/entry/debunking-the-myth-obamas_b_1929869 .
  
  LOL
  That's always the first argument. The poor, defenseless Dems are just powerless to make real, substantial change. Their hands are tied. Better things simply aren't possible. It was all the fault of the rotating villain.
  And yet people still vote for these same Democrats who are bleeding them dry.
- You're technically correct but you're ignoring the intention of the post. I agree Obamacare sucks. I want Medicare for All. But the people this post is obviously directed at want it to go away for reasons and just go back to how it was before.
- I'd say better than the previous or later
  
  I'm glad it's working out for you.
  I can't imagine it's that great for a country where tens of millions can't absorb a sudden $400 expense without going further into debt, seeing as how it's a capitalist system that price-gouges people for their care.

You don't have an option to not use it. What a terrible meme lol.
- Technically that's true, because it changed the law where you can't be denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions, but I'm guessing OP means he uses the marketplace thingy instead of having insurance provided by work.
  (Also, the affordable care act didn't force you to have insurance, it was a tax penalty to not have insurance, but the 2018 tax act set that penalty to $0)

To be fair, it's a flawed argument.
You can be against Google and Apple and still use a smartphone.
You can be against a genocide being sponsored with your tax dollars and still work and pay tax.
And yes, you can use the healthcare system that exists today and still want a different one tomorrow.
Or do you think that advocates of universal healthcare are also hypocrites for using Obamacare?
- You're correct on all those, but OP was talking about people who praise the Affordable Care Act but vote for politicians who say they want to get rid of Obamacare. Those people aren't using the system but want better, they are just ignorant that the two are the same thing.
  Now we absolutely could do better, but it's better than what we had, and Republicans still want to get rid of it, even with less ties to Obama in name now. They truly hate people.
- but the implication is that they are voting for the only party who doesnt want to expand healthcare or make it better in absolutely any way.
  even if they think the ACA is flawed and should be fixed, they are still not voting for the party to fix it.
  
  In their mind, they are voting for the party that will fix it.
  You may disagree, as do I, but that's what they think.
- Well, for almost a decade the GOP has had time to come up with their vision. They ran on "Repeal and Replace" in the 2016 cycle. But when it came time to vote to repeal, they still didn't have a replace option.
  Prices didn't go down when the 2018 tax cuts reduced corporate tax by about 30%, I doubt when the ACA gets repealed and insurance companies can drop the uninsurable people they will lower the prices for healthy Americans, because they are already anchored at the higher price.
  
  Well, for almost a decade the GOP has had time to come up with their vision.
  That's only 6 days in Trump's 2 weeks timeline
  
  Look, I wouldn't trust the GOP with my shit stained underwear.
  Of course they don't have a better plan.
  But voters who vote for them are still voters.
  And falling for a false narrative doesn't make them hypocrites.
- None of those analogies are applicable here. It’s more like voting against building codes when you live on a fault line.

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