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Debate wrap up: No one has ever so thoroughly dominated Donald Trump

talkingpointsmemo.com Debate Wrap Up: No One Has Ever So Thoroughly Dominated Donald Trump

I feel obligated to note at the top that you can win...

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She set a tone at the very start when she walked right into his space to shake his hand and made him almost pull back into himself in response. She was in charge and never stopped being in charge.

Harris also managed what neither Joe Biden nor Hillary Clinton nor any of the 2016 Republicans managed to do which is successfully bait Donald Trump and get under his skin. Within a few minutes Trump was visibly angry and not in a way that empowered him but in a way that made him lose focus, go down rabbit holes and generally go off onto damaging tangents. Spittle anger, not righteous anger, shall we say.

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He says he won and his supporters believe it. That's all they need. Doesn't matter if he was dominated or not.
- Trump and his followers are truth proclaimers, not truth seekers. They believe truth is dictated by consensus, volume, devotion, etc because that's what their religion and their narcissistic delusions teach them. Everyone else knows that truth is something to be analyzed and determined, not proclaimed.
  So in general, yeah it's a waste of time paying attention to what their reaction is. They're a predictable bunch.
  
  They believe truth is dictated by consensus, volume, devotion, etc because that’s what their religion and their narcissistic delusions teach them. Everyone else knows that truth is something to be analyzed and determined, not proclaimed.
  It's the same old shit the Nazis did.
- I don't think you can use a racist cult as a measuring stick. Of course it doesn't matter to them, that doesn't mean it doesn't matter at all.
  
  He didn't say it didn't matter, he said it's a waste of time worrying about their reactions. Which in a sense, is true, considering how predictable those reasons always are.
- But it also reassures anyone hesitant about her ability to hold her own as a leader. Her real job was not coming off as a political hack from a desperate party. And instead she played him like a concert fucking pianist.
  
  Just like for almost 4 years the American ppl have been played like "a concert fucking pianist"?
  See ya at the pump. Or the grocery store. Or living behind a 7 Eleven because housing prices are out of control.
  Look at the deeds, not the words. She is part of the current administration and cannot run from her track record.
  
  Current admin has accomplished more towards my political priorities than any republican candidate ever has or ever will.
  We get it, whatever single issue you’re hung up on means you hate Harris. Whatever. Be an adult.
  
  That's good advice. Look at the deeds. What has the rapist felon done?
- This isn't accurate. They may not change their vote, but this hurt them. This further proved that Trump is demented, bumbling, and easy to manipulate.
- In a triage situation, you focus on those who are most likely to survive given the resources available. You can’t fix extremists so focus on the ones you can save instead.
- Keep in mind, Blue MAGA here tried to claim Biden won his debate.
  It's obligatory for those on a team to claim they win. If you were voting for Harris before the debate, you are still voting for Harris after the debate. If you were voting for Trump, there is almost no chance that changed based on this debate.
  If you are on the right and not voting for Trump this election, you probably aren't voting. Cheney isn't bringing votes to the Democrats.
  The votes left to get (amongst registered) are leftists who are still struggling to vote for a candidate who supports a genocide. You won't get them abusing them with the idea that they need to sacrifice their morals for a candidate. Only the candidate can get those voters, and they can only do so with a policy shift. It's probably about 2.5 to 5 percent of registered Democrats s in this bucket. More than enough to make or break the Harris candidacy.
  https://www.mapresearch.org/democracy-maps/voter_registration_deadlines
  The only other option for more votes is to create more registered voters (link above). So we're very rapidly coming up to the point where neither the Harris or Trump campaign can j crease their vote share in the critical states that are going to decide this election.
  Using the relatively well established rule of about 2 weeks for information to filter through the news and to emerge in polling, and the consideration that the voter registration deadline is coming up, that we should expect a policy shift from Harris around October 12th -16th. This is simply because there really aren't any more votes for the campaign to get once the registration deadlines begin to pass.
  
  I've never heard anyone claiming that Biden won his debate. I've heard some say it was survivable, which it was not. Having watched both debates, I think it's pretty safe to say that Biden lost his and Harris won hers. Both with rather big margins.
  
  I mean, their claims were happening here, live. See the past mega threads. There really is no reason to cite ignorance for something so easily verifiable.
  
  The votes left to get (amongst registered) are leftists who are still struggling to vote for a candidate who supports a genocide.
  I can't tell if you're being genuine and clueless or malicious.
  Let's assume you're the former first. WaPo did a pretty cool piece with undecided swing voters during the debate. It resulted in a small but significant shift left. You can check it out here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2024/presidential-debate-voter-poll/
  Unfortunately, I'm going to assume the latter. To quote Kamala, "This is the same tired old playbook" the Russian troll farms trotted out when Biden was in the race. I'm not sure if you're one of those that fell for it or if you're a troll yourself, but it's not working anymore. If Trump were in office, he'd gleefully tell Netanyahu to bomb Palestine out of existence. If this is going to be a talking point, at least discuss it in good faith.

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