Centerists

You can't debate someone that isn't arguing in good faith, and these people never ever are. Yeet and move on, save your energy for the people that have just been mislead by the altright and may actually change their opinions.

To everyone pearl clutching in response to this correct meme with one of the following phrases:

• "That's how you create an echo chamber"

• "paradox of intolerance doesn't say how to fight fascism"

• "This is about silencing opposing thought"

I would like to take this moment to remind you that the paradox of intolerance isn't about exiling those who disagree on economic policy; it's about recognizing and directly opposing those who are trying to harm or disadvantage others and doing so in a meaningful way that will actually change the outcome. You can't debate Hitler out of doing a genocide, but you could have jailed him before he gained power.

Being too spineless to call out and fight intolerance enables fascism. The longer you live wrapped up in your civility politics, the overton window shifts further right, and it strengthens the fascist support. It happened in pre-WW2 Germany, and it's being repeated in dozens of countries worldwide. If you feel the urge to block me, go ahead...

...but know that this is your fault

Edit: spelling

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Why does everybody online insist on misusing "centrist" and "moderate" when they're talking about spineless, bitch-ass accomplices? An actual centrist in America in 2024 would be very progressive relative to most of the country. It's a good place to be.

Hypothetically there could be bigots you could have a rational debate with, but they tend to not remain bigots for long.

"Faschisten hören niemals auf, Faschisten zu sein

Man diskutiert mit ihnen nicht, hat die Geschichte gezeigt"

• Danger Dan

"Fascists won't ever stop being fascists. You don't argue with them, history has shown that"

I 100% believe the lemmy developers' firm belief in this policy is why the platform was able to take off eventually. In the early days we would frequently have people join and then stomp their feet about free speech and the slur filter and then fuck off to whatever variant of voat was en vogue (...that was wolfballs for a little while). It was a small community, discussions were heavily (but not exclusively) tech and communism, but I don't think it would have been an appealing landing spot if that kind of toxicity had been allowed to grow.

Absolutely no question there's more hostility in the conversations here after redditors came here, but more users will do that. The exodus has made it a lot easier for me to abandon some of the smaller subreddits I was still active on.

You should engage them in debate though. The people who need to do so are always such cowards that they'd rather ban and run.

It's easy as fuck to outmaneuver one of those dipshits. And it's funny as fuck when they stomp off mad because you made them look like an idiot.

But I like seeing the rational debate!

So I can practice spotting fallacies and facepalm when people completely miss the point and counter with something that might be logically sound but is practically terrible.

The fastest way to an echo chamber is to ignore everyone who disagrees with you.

You should be intelligent enough and convicted in your understanding of any point you argue strongly, that you will be able to identify an irrational or false argument.

Otherwise when someone you disagree with has a good point that improves your view point, you will miss it.

Take the show always sunny in philadelphia. The characters are all examples of absolutely terrible people. We use their idiocy, bigotry, racism and general prejudice to further confirm our beliefs and views on any topic.

It is healthy to listen to bad takes.

Much better to spread the accepted hate than to be rational.

Oh, the bigots! OH MY GOOOOOOOD THE BIGOOOOOTS, Heaven curse the bigots! They're invading our spaces, corrupting our children's minds! A Senate Select Committee on Bigotry is now a national imperative. The bar for non-bigotry must be raised CONTINUALLY higher: society cannot afford anything less! And the purge must be comprehensive. Our communities MUST be kept linguistically pure. Associations must be kept PRISTINE AT ALL TIMES. Suspect the poster above you? Suspect your brother or sister? Report and unfollow and block at every opportunity! Trust-n-safety them out of existence! Interpretation is vacillation!

There is no volume level below 100 when condemning the awful terrible ungood bigot!

when memes start taking themselves seriously

Found some lovely commenters here that can't see past the stench of their own shit.

Why tolerate Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran? Seeking a ceasefire and a peaceful resolution? You can't debate with them in good faith. Gotta yeet them and move on.

The Palestinians that ask for a peaceful debate aren't innocent either. They let Hamas live among them, tolerating the intolerant. Yeet them and move on.

Accept only the Palestinians that only accept our rule, our way of life. If they don't, yeet them and move on.

Gee, golly whiz! Look at Israel going all in according to the advice given in this here comment section! They're so amazing and progressive!

... Some people should look in the mirror once in a while and maybe, just maybe they might see the clown hiding in plain sight.

I will say one thing, this thread has let me know which accounts I need to block.

If you would like to be added to the list respond to this comment. My bot will take care of it if you haven't already been added.

Honestly if you start to suck like the bigots, it's no surprise you would start to claim that anyone who points that out is a "centrist" bigot too to be yeeted away.

Sometimes I feel like people who want to fight bitotry have become cartoons doint a black and white evil vs good. Nope sorry. The world is not so clear cut. It's a mess. And the word "centrist" can now also be used for censorship. Congratulations. You suck just as much as the bigots now. Hope it "helped" to adopt their tactics! 🤣

You do realize this is an argument for an echo chamber right? Banning Centrists and Opposition means you only have Supporters.

Edit: After much consideration you're right most of this thread is getting blocked.