Greta Thunberg is declared a violent participant for her pro Palestine demonstrations.

Or the Diary of Ann Frank. Easier to control the narrative around children than to discuss the politics of grown adults.

Could you elaborate?

I never realized that, and it is kind of messed up. Although I suppose the main thing that happened for her happened as a child, the story of how she came to understand that words had meaning, starting with "water." I suppose I don't hardly know anything about the rest of her life.

Lol, early morning swipe typing.

Could you elaborate what you mean by that?

You said it. Shoulder BLADES

I do not know what you're reading or watching but the SZ for one has been reporting both sides quite frequently. I've just yesterday read an interview with a Palestinian-Israelian and a Jewish-Isrealian on the topic of how the West is still too hooked on the premise of two seperate states and that in their vision for peace a federal union with an unbiased and lawful constitution would be best.

I do not know if I am too unconcerned of that particular conflict right now, but it does bug me that it seems that there is barely any voices in between on the internet and most public voices. You either have unconditional support for Israel or you have people calling Isreal genocidal and comparing the state to Nazi-Germany.

How either of those sides wants to solve the issue is beyond me, if both sites keep their stance without even trying to debate on the problems (granted you have people in power on both sides of the conflict, willing to change, which I frankly don't see at all) there will not be any solution for this. Because right now Israel will bomb its neighbours into oblivion while they are being played as puppets by Iran and other invested countries or you will have to dissolute Israel which the USA and Germany will not (and in the latter case cannot) allow. So much for advocating for peace on both sides.

German here: if you take peaceful demonstration as an option away from people, they are left with two options: being resigned or non-peaceful demonstration. The German stance to hinder peaceful demonstration against the Israeli atrocities is stupid and labeling Greta Thunberg as primed for violence is beyond stupid. And the majority of Germans has no active memory of the 72 Olympics incident.

The concern is legitimate, but it falls into the same "never again - to us" pit Israel fell into. Another potential framing one could take of the issue - one I feel is more helpful - would go something like: 80 years ago, the world got together to help save Germany from itself, and it's time to return the favor, hopefully before it gets completely out of hand like last time.

Israel doesn't have a right to exist. Religion based countries will always resort to fighting anyone that doesn't conform to their flavor of religion.

The holocaust led to more jews going to the holy land which lead to the creation of the state of Israel, which since its inception has had expelling the Palestinians as its main goal. Palestinians rightfully so started resisting through different groups which has lead to Israel doubling down on its genocidal motives leading to today. They are connected just not as obviously as other events.

Israel cannot exist as a concept if you support Palestinians right to exist. They're fundamentally incompatible.

Drag seems to be a fucking moron if he talks shit like that.

eh, they're going back towards fascism themselves

When exactly was Israel a victim of Germany?

Its definitely standard (literally read the w3c standards) and we should be temp banning users who post screenshots of text without copying and pasting the text

It makes sense that Israel would use Germany's past to guilt-trip it into doing whatever it wants.

That's partly true.

Whilst indeed sociopathic assholes are everywhere, the difference in what they end up doing is down to the culture of what's acceptable or unnacceptable and of what is done about the latter in a society.

Judging by what's been done again and again in Germany from even before the start of this latest stage of the Israeli Genocide, the whole seeing of people as mainly members of an ethnicities and discriminating for or against them depending of ethnicity is very much culturally acceptable in Germany, as is the idea that it's more important to forcefully control dissent against the acting on that Racism than it is to respect Democracy.

Sadly the Israeli Genocide has brough into focus just how entrenched the viewing of people through the filter of racial prejudiced and the authoritarian thinking still are there (granted, more the former than the latter), especially compared with Democratic nations with less history of such things: Germany is ending in the wrong side of a Holocaust once again because the lesson culturally learned from the last one was not the Humanist "This should never be allowed to happen again" but instead it was "Germans should never do this again to Jews", a version that strictly assigns victim status and hence deserving of protection on the basis of the ethnicity a person was born into, unconditionally and with no limit placing people into the "deserving of special treatment" category those born in the right ethnicity, as if all Jews were all the same and hence equaly victims and deserving of special treatment, and all non-Jews were the same and equally not victims and not deserving of that treatment. The Racism of this is further confirmed by how the Roma people (commonly known as Gypsies) who were equality targetted by the Nazis, do not receive the same treatment.

Banning a protest under whatever pretext they can come up with is definitely an authoritarian move. Giving police power to do that is not what a democracy should be doing.

Only a Racist nation would equate victimhood with ethnicity.

The lesson learned from the last Holocaust should've been "Never again shall we allow this to be done to anybody" not the very different and deeply racist "Never again shall Germans do this to Jews".

The way of thinking that sees people as members of a Race and treats them differently based on that did not leave Germany when the Nazis were stopped: all that was done was that the list of "deserving" and "not deserving" races was updated. This is why we keep seeing Germany follow the principle of "even the most horrible and inhuman behaviours are acceptable if those committing them are from the right race", same as they did in the "old days".

Still today there's a lot of Racism in Europe, but nobody else is going around justifying the mass murder of children, and forcefully stamping out on dissent against that mass murder, because the genociders are from a specific race (which, "curiously" is a White one) and the victims are from a different race (which, "curiously" is a Non-White one).

Compared to what the rest of Europe is doing, this is a lot more like the kind of Racism that was the foundation of Nazism than mere run-of-the-mill Racism, and the easy and casual subversion of Democratic principles merelly to stamp out dissent against such extreme Racist official position is another of those ways of behaving common in the "good old days".

Even the very idea that Israel is the same as the Jewish Ethnicity betrays a Racism that sees all Jews as the same and alld represented by and supporting of Israel, profound so even because it denies the view of those Jews who openly oppose the actions of Israel and its actions under its Zionist leadership. Even towards the very people they claim to have a duty to support, the German Power elites cannot stop themselves from being profoundly Racist.

I used to have a very different view of Germany before the Israeli Genocide really brought up just how much guided by Racial Membership the German view of the World is, how extreme such view is in what it will excuse and just how thin the veneer of Democracy trully is there.

It's not Nazism, but it shares the very same foundations of prejudice, authoritarian leanings and lack of limits to what are acceptable actions from the "right" races.