Price parity is here: new Stellantis crossover is the same price, EV or ICE
Price parity is here: new Stellantis crossover is the same price, EV or ICE
The interesting new about the new SUV is this: whether you go with gas or electric, the price you pay remains the same.
The newest midsize crossover in Stellantis’ European lineup is available in five or seven-passenger configurations with either mild hybrid ICE or BEV drivetrain configurations – but that’s not the interesting part. The interesting part is this: whether you go with gas or electric, the price you pay remains the same. (!) Price parity, in the context of EVs, basically means that it would cost the same to buy an electric version of a car as an internal combustion version. Whether or not making parity a priority makes sense (and there are plenty who would argue that it doesn’t), there is still a persistent belief that EVs cost more than comparable gas cars.
Well, they did, anyway. The new Vauxhall Frontera is a mid-size crossover set to launch in the UK later this year with a £23,495 price tag (approx. $30,705) for the ICE version … and £23,495 for the BEV.
Shame it's an SUV or something even larger.
27What’s the greater shame: that it’s a land yacht, or that it’s Stellantis?
11Yes
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Amazing, what a great development. The value prop of my Chevy Bolt was always the operating cost. I've saved $25000 CAD over five years on gas and oil changes VS a car with 8l/100km (my old car). I'm at the point now that my Bolt was a better or equal deal to most new vehicles over $20,000 CAD MRSP. In a few years the low operating cost will make it a better deal than any car over $10,000. If the car makes it to around 300,000 km it will have saved so much money on gas it will have offset its own cost.
But when I talk to people about it the capital cost is what people tend to fixate on. As if operating it doesn't count. But at price parity, it's basically a no brainer for the vast majority of commuters. This barrier is gone.
The used market is transforming here too. I actually just purchased a second EV, a loaded 2020 soul ev with 2 years/20,000km bumper to bumper warranty left, and 140,000 battery warranty. I paid $16000CAD, this was less than 8 of 10 comparable gas versions in my regional market. This was a private sale, no EV rebates, and there was price parity. It wasn't even my only option like this, my local market has enough 2020/2021/2022 Ioniqs, Leafs, and Bolts that I had a hard time choosing our second car.
Change is here in the market, I hope attitudes change with it. Because I'm a bit sick of every Facebook ad for an EV being nothing but laughing faces and ignorant comments.
18How much would a replacement battery for your cars cost should the worst happen?
1For my Chevy, which is out of warranty now, but amazingly still working with little to degradation, it would be around $15000 CAD for a new replacement battery at the dealer. Less if I can source the used part from a wreck and goto my own mechanic.
For the Soul, I have no idea, but I'm 140,000km or 5 years away from being exposed to it.
Just for context, a motor replacement for an ICE car can run anywhere from $5500-$14000 CAD according to JD power and associates.
Battery failure is an interesting problem, dead cells can reduce the range of the car, but is my Bolt with a 300km range useless? Probably not. The batteries can be pulled for home backup uses as well if the failure isn't catastrophic. When an ICE engine fails, we salvage the parts, EVs have that too. There is a huge community around replacing and upgrading NISSAN leaf batteries, for example, they can be upgraded for half what I mentioned here.
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12Not just ICE, it's the hybrid:
The new Frontera is available either as a hybrid with 48-volt technology or fully electric. The Frontera Hybrid has a 100 hp 1.2-litre turbocharged petrol engine developed specifically for hybrid use. This operates in combination with a 21kW (28 hp) electric motor and an electrified six-speed dual clutch transmission, so that fuel consumption and CO2 emissions are significantly lower compared to a conventionally powered model. In addition, the Frontera Hybrid will also be available with a 136 hp 1.2 turbo engine.
I initially thought no one would buy the ice, but hybrid is a different story.
https://www.encycarpedia.com/vauxhall/24-frontera-hybrid-136-suv
51mpg is pretty fucking good for a SUV...
And while England is denser than America, there's a lot of areas without charging. I could see the hybrid still doing better at the same price.
11Reminder that gallons in the US are different than the UK. 51 UK MPG ≈ 42.5 US MPG.
1Like in the US, and what toyota has always known, hybrids are a vastly better option. Entire vehicle is lighter, so tires last much longer, no range anxiety or issues, no expensive house mods if you need a higher speed charger at home, no need to plug in, which can be near impossible if you live in an apartment, and when the battery in a hybrid goes bad, they're WAY cheaper and easier to replace.
I replaced my 75 pound prius hybrid battery myself in an afternoon. The new oem battery cost me $3,000. Hell of a lot better than having to tow it to a shop and spending $15,000 to get a 1,000 pound battery replaced. My hybrids prius last tires lasted me 55,000 miles and they're cheap $65 tires. Nissan leaf tires have been reported last people just 20,000 to 30,000 miles and those are one of the smaller, lighter evs. The tires you're supposed to buy for tesla sedans are like $700 a set.
-1Is replacing batteries common for hybrid cars?
Most batteries last about 1000+/- cycles, so person driving a plug-in hybrid car mostly electric might face a bad battery after only three years (assuming daily full charge). This is just my personal calculation, I've never really heard any reports on this issue.
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If this comes to the states as a Jeep and close to this price point, they are going to sell the hell out of this.
6Yeah, and it'll have that Jeep "quality," too. No thanks.
I'd rather ride a pogo stick. Which in all fairness would also probably be more reliable.
15Yeah, this is where I worry. Most of their issues, historically at least m, were with the engine and/or transmission. The BEV potentially solves both of those issues. However, RAM is having a wave of problems with their newer sensors. It’s not a great situation.
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Stellantis vehicles in the states are doing shit sales because everyone in the states knows they make terrible vehicles that fall apart too soon, which would have been fine if they charged less for them, but they want to have the bad quality, along with a premium price tag.
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My issue is mainly that my landlord gets awfully silent whenever I ask for a charger in my garage. And street side charging is cumbersome and expensive. There are no fast chargers in my area and the slow ones are only usable for four hours.
6Do you need a full fast charger? I went for months with a 40km commute and only the wall charger, overnight was enough. A 240volt laundry outlet can do it too, for much cheaper than a full charger install.
But yea, renters need support with this, regulating inclusion, building code changes, or incentives to landlords for installation, or public chargers. I don't know what the solution is, probably a mix, but it can't come soon enough.
9You can even tap off the 240v and leave the dryer plugged in with a smart adapter. It only charges the car when the dryer is not running.
11if renting would be a choice not a necessity for most people this wouldn't be the issue it is today and would also solve a hell of a lot of other problems
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Charging for people that live in apartments just sucks. This issue has to be dealt with for EVs to succeed on a larger scale.
7In Copenhagen there are a lot of options for street charging. Yes, it might be more expensive than a private charger, but overall prices have come down quite a bit. And then again, if you insist on the luxury of owning a car in the city, you can afford that
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In hindsight I wouldn't have bought the charing unit. Much cheaper to go with a plain 240v outlet and compatible cord
3Look at what the panel max capacity is. If the panel is 150-200A then adding a level 2 charger isn’t that expensive (~$1500) typically. A level 3 runs ~ $3K. Most systems aren’t maxing 150A and definitely not 200A. Your landlord might be thinking it would be a LOT more, see next paragraph.
However, if the panel needs an upgrade then the price goes way up, $6K-$10K+, just for the panel upgrade. If service needs to be re-run to add more power to the building then the price is even more (and very hard to estimate without being on site). Obviously, those are very ballpark because each building’s system is different.
2I think the capacity should be there, they just refuse to answer. The building is from 2010. My plan is moving anyway so I didn't put too much effort in. But that plan has been a plan for quite some time.
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The price parity only due to regulations requiring minimum percentage of new cars to be zero or low emission.
1More likely its because Stellantis is doing terribly financially and has to find some hook to get cars out the door.
2Which means nothing to a customer looking for a BEV.
2Sure, but the article is claiming EV's are now as cheap as ICE, which isn't the case. The price parity is a result of subsidies and mandates. In Calif. we reached price "parity" a long time ago.
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