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Tories heading for landslide election defeat, says Britain’s top pollster

www.independent.co.uk Tories heading for landslide election defeat, says Britain’s top pollster

Exclusive: Sunak could be presiding over ‘wake’ at conference, warns Prof John Curtice – with voters furious over NHS failures, cost of living, migrants and Liz Truss

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www.independent.co.uk /news/uk/politics/sunak-tory-conference-election-labour-polls-b2421563.html

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Honestly their walk back of the net zero has made me never want to vote for them again.
The planet is fucked, at this point nothing else matters, we aren’t doing anything about it because Sunak is cosied up to fossil fuels and is too busy flying his private jet about.
- And their decade of making the country worse for everyone but the ultra wealthy was ok?
  
  Not ok but it's what people knew they would do when they elected them, so them then doing it shouldn't really change people's opinion of them.
- To be fair, their walk back of net zero might of got them 500 extra old age pensioner votes, assuming that the oap's are able to survive the winter covids, heating costs, and cost of living costs. And they can't get past the polling stations needing extra ID.
- They did that because they believed their own rhetoric. They made up all sorts of nonsense about ULEZ, which successfully confused enough of voters that they won Boris Johnson's old seat when really they wouldn't have. But this made them think that people don't care about environmental policies. So they decided that it would be a great idea if they walked some back, because clearly that would get them some votes right?

idk what the polls say it's going to be closer than everyone thinks because i know the british electorate.
- the polls are always big for labour then the election comes and Tories still somehow win >_>
  
  It's because people still don't bother turning up to vote

Fingers crossed

Hoping the party fractures under the pressure.
The tories really conist of two parties at war with each other constantly. The only thing they agree on is money and power are good for them.
- It fractured a decade ago when they couldn't get a majority and had to get in bed with the popularists by promising a brexit referendum. Something 100% against tory values.
  What you have now is not even a tory party. it's an unelected popularist assortment of fifth rank backbenchers who would have been insignificant in the grand scheme of the party.
  The real question is what is going to happen to the tory party after they lose. Will they reform as an ultra nationalist fascist party like they have been heading towards? Will they go the gentle opinionless route Labour did and hope that's enough? Just die?🤞
  
  Hopefully they collapse and Labour split into centrists and lefties. That would be ideal, drag the Overton window over a little.
  
  Even Thatcher’s Tory party was fractured — between so-called wets and dries. It’s inevitable that any broad political party (which you get in a two-party system) will contain extremes.
  
  If they lose, surely the pary splits between moderates and the nutters.
- I worry more about vote splitting, but both can be fixed by moving away from FPTP. Mixed Member Proportional Representation, like Germany and New Zealand, is what we need.
  
  Unfortunately we won't get proportional representation from a labour goverment.
  Maybe if they are forced into a coalition with the lib dema we can get movement. The problem is labour really don't do coalitions which leaves the door open to a tory return if they get a low turnout.

Maybe people are finally realising that the Tories can't legitimately blame the previous Labour government anymore, they've been using that move for too long now.
- They do that? I thought they always blamed the previous government, irrespective of which party was in charge. "Oh that lot back in 2019? No, that wasn't us" puts on false moustache and glasses "That previous government put us in all this mess" "Conservative government? You must mean Boris Johnson's government. Right mess they made of things. Fortunately we're nothing to do with them, so things can only get better, eh?"

I've posted this already but
It's starting early, the headlines that the Tories will be defeated so you go "Oh good, I don't have to vote" but you do, it's lies, VOTE!

NO MATTER WHAT POLLS SAY - GO OUT AND VOTE
If you (and a bunch of others) get too comfy with Conservatives losing the election, and don't go out and vote, then that's how they getcha. If you want the tories out, vote them the fuck out. I beg you.
- I can't upvote this enough. Well said!

Rishi is going full cultural war to win votes but actually focusing on things that will proper win votes and seems reasonable.
It is just incredibly frustrating seeing people come out of the wood works and run with this idea that there is a war on cars.

Well damn, its about time.

@iamnotarobot One should hope so

I have a £100 bet with a friend who says the same. I just have no confidence that the UK public won't just shit the bed and vote Tories again.

The same pollster went on to prove that water is wet
- Wake me up when he discovers earth has breathable atmosphere.

It doesn’t really matter, either way. If they lose, then labour win. And labour are almost as bad.
- So, the first government I really remember was Blair's Labour. At the time, I was against a lot of what they did from a left and liberal POV. I won't go through the list because we all know it and I'm still against all of it!
  Having now lived through a Tory government, I can categorically say that Labour are infinitely superior to the Conservatives in every respect. Labour would never have given us Brexit, as just one example. Under Labour we're going to get green investment, planning reform, investment in schools. It's going to get better and it's worth fighting for.
  
  Agreed with this. Labour are far from perfect, but I'd still rather have them than the Tories. My ideal outcome from the next general election would be Labour falling short of a majority, though: this would force them to cooperate with another party, and ideally that other party would be the Lib Dems and/or Greens, who would push for electoral reform as a condition of cooperation. I don't think we're going to see any meaningful change in the country until we ditch FPTP, which puts too much power in the hands of a few swing voters in specific areas of the country, who are seen as necessary to win over while everyone else just gets thrown under a bus. And we're never going to get PR with a Labour majority government.
  
  I’m sorry, but you’re not seeing the bigger picture. We have massive, structural problems that are inevitably leading towards a crisis the likes of which we have never seen. Climate change, massive inequality, a surge of far-right sentiment.
  Labour isn’t going to improve any of those things enough to matter. They’ll do little more than pay lip service to them while they continue the conservatives campaign of looting the country and funnelling wealth to those who are already wealthy.
  The amount of suffering that the labour government presides over is going to be unparalleled and they will do almost nothing to stop it because ultimately they still want to build a world for money, and not a world for people.
  You have NO reason to believe that labour would make any of these things really better. Look at anything they come out with. They always share the least inspirational, most vaguely worded aphoristic minimal policies possible. They rule out pretty much anything that would be bold enough to actually be effective.
  We need something more than labour if we’re going to prevent massive suffering. And this incoming labour government will almost indefinitely lead to fascism as a result.
- And labour are almost as bad.
  The word "almost" is doing an extreme amount of heavy lifting in this ridiculous straw man of yours.

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