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Catastrophic shutdown averted as McCarthy sides with Democrats over far right in his own party

www.the-independent.com Catastrophic shutdown averted as McCarthy sides with Democrats over far right

Republicans avoid shutdown by cutting deal with Democrats over their own party’s hardliners

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Headline makes it sound like it's done, this is just a temp budget:

Republicans now have 45 days to pass longer-term budget measures to operate the government for the 2024 year. Those budgets have already hit their own set of roadblocks in the House, and are destined to run up against a Democratic-controlled Senate and White House that will likely demand changes.

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- It's a continuing resolution. This is exactly what I've been expecting. I personally didn't think they'd pass a final budget.
  
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Just a 45 day stopgap and it’s not over, but hopefully Republicans begin to realize, “We can’t function with these people,” and start trying to move away from their hardliners. Doubtful it’ll happen, but one can always dream. That they didn’t actually let it go to a shutdown suggests that there’s Republicans who wanted to avoid a shutdown as much as Democrats and may be willing to compromise and reach a longer term deal, they’re not just trying to burn the whole place down.

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- Matt Gaetz has been saying he intends to file a motion to vacate the speakership this week.
  
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  Seriously why the fuck isn't that asshole in jail? He was fucking trafficking children.
  
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- These motherfuckers could fund the government for the next century if they wanted to.
  
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What a misleading headline. Makes it sound like the Republicans did the hard work.

What is life? We are in the evil timeline.

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- It didn't read that way to me. This could be the end of McCarthy as speaker because he worked with Democrats. Did you see the paragraph:
  
  Jim McGovern, a Democrat from Massachusetts, offered a simple commentary as he left the floor following the vote: “We won.”
  
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  The headline made it sound like the Republicans avoided it; that's all. You know most Republicans don't read anything more than a headline. :) I'm mostly frustrated with that is all. The context almost always leans differently.
  
  Republicans avoid shutdown by cutting deal with Democrats over their own party’s hardliners
  
  Any Republican who reads that, what do you think they read? I know what I think, and, unfortunately, as an observer of those people's reactions, I'm positive that's how they'll read it.
  
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- Except like 15 mins ago Gaetz just said he’s gonna try to unseat McCarthy
  
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- Not my take away from the headline at all. Makes the GOP sound like they don't have their shit together so McCarthy had to go hat in hand to the Dems seeking actual adults capable of governing.
  
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  To be fair, while most of the GOP might have their shit together, they have a crazy faction blocking them
  
  In a way, it might just be possible that this marks a realization that they will have better results working in a bipartisan manner than trying to appease the nutjobs.
  
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- Well technically they did work hard... at blocking anything possible to stop this shutdown, because a shutdown is good for a very few rich assholes
  
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It’s all just theaterics and the republicans need more rehearsals before taking stage.

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- True, but they can't win this, so either have to damage themselves over and over again, or grow up and be leaders of their constituents, which means explaining a little bit to them reality instead of blindly being pushed around by ignorant sheep
  
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- There's a lot of theater in politics but that's nothing new.
  
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The problem is that this solves nothing. Since COVID the US has been writing checks it cannot cash and the party will come to an end sooner or later. The longer we kick the can down the road the more painful it will be. Republicans won't increase taxes (even Biden didn't roll back Trump's tax cuts). And Democrats won't cut entitlement spending. So we are essentially screwed.

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- You're absolutely right that projecting our current debt and revenue unchanged into the future looks disastrous. HW Bush raised taxes and it very likely contributed to his reelection loss. Clinton raised taxes and balanced the budget. I think it's definitely possible to begin paying off the debt in such a way that doesn't crush the economy with an austerity backlash. Both of those presidents' tax increases didn't kill the economy. It took W Bush's "ownership society" deregulation to do that.
  
  There's also the possibility of a future economic shift that could put everything as we know it in flux: a new energy source, automation that replaces overseas manufacturing, or asteroid mining are all examples of things that are at least possible if not plausible to be on the horizon. Not too mention something we can't even conceive of. Very few people in 1900 would predict the model T was on the horizon.
  
  I'm definitely apprehensive about the economic future but I'm personally not terrified that it'll be some kind of doomsday.
  
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  Re: New energy source thing, Australia is reporting people charging their cars for free.
  
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- This has been happening far longer than COVID.
  
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