If you're feeling left out it's probably because you defend billionaires who would mince you into fertilizer

Wow, this one touched some nerves.

I’d recommend posting a tangentially political meme at some point on Lemmy.
The amount of people who will come out of the woodwork to tell you ‘don’t post this’ and ‘don’t make things political’ will really be eye opening.
People don’t want to address systemic issues and think not talking about them is a viable solution.
- Just making comments about rich people and their taxes seems to do the same thing here.
- We do want adress systematic issues, just in the right communities. When i visis memes i wanna see funny memes. In dankmemes i wanna see dank memes. In NCD i wanna see non credible military stuff.
  That's the issue
- Yeah, because we don't particularly fancy being lectured by teenagers on the Internet.

Everyone time something controversial is posted, damn I missed out on all the discussion because Blahaj.zone defederated all these capitalist losers so I can just think about being trans and cracking jokes.

Honestly if this meme passes for controversial then the world has gotten a whole lot more lame.
- Omg you are so right 😮‍💨
- I wouldn't call it controversial outside of fediverse. It's dumb tankie takes. In any other sampled population with significant size their opinions would be considered extreme and buried.
  And let me be clear, I like socialist programs. But these people are truthers for the left.

These capitalist and billionaire cocksuckers sure love socialism when they socialise their losses and fucking take our tax payer money to bail themselves out. if you're working class and don't support socialism, you should look into it more. Propaganda from these blood sucking billionaire ghouls have made most of us blind to the better life socialism can offer us.

That isnt socialism, thats the capitalist state doing its job of protecting capital. Socialism is when the proletariat own the means of production.
- Yes i agree. Just pointing out the fact there's no free market. When they lose, they still win by taking our hard earned money and using it to further their interests. I'd be happier if it were used for our welfare instead.
You think you are arguing with the people accepting handouts on lemmy?

I mean... I'm a capitalist who doesn't defend billionaires and also doesn't feel left out... ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Are you though?
Do you own the means of production and employ people to operate it, paying them a fraction of the value their labor produces?
Are you able to live comfortably without working for the foreseeable future? Do you exert outsized control over municipal, regional and state government far beyond your “vote” if you live in a place that claims to be a democracy? Does that control come from your power over the means of production that you control?
Supporting a society controlled by the people described above does not make you a capitalist, being one of the people described above does.
- I do not agree with you, gayhitler420. That sounds as polarized as US politics.
- Are you able to live comfortably without working for the foreseeable future?
  I'm pretty sure that's just a strawman version of capitalism. Plenty of capitalists who had their life's work taken during a communist revolution and were at best told they could come back as a manager worked plenty hard. Didn't save them.
- Oxford English Dictionary defines a capitalism as :
  a person who supports capitalism
  a person who owns or controls a lot of wealth and uses it to produce more wealth
- The dictionaries say otherwise. But sure, if "capitalist" just means a person thats very succesful and uses their power for the bad, then they are obviously not good to society but that doesnt make the system of capitalism any worse...
Right? There are pros and cons with every system. People disagree based on value judgements not based on misinterpretation of facts. People in their echo chambers will have you believe that everyone on the other side of the political spectrum all thinks the same way “the same people who say X also say Y!” Rarely is that the case. Most people are actually centrists who have their own independent beliefs on a wide range of topics.
- Not everyone on my side of the political Spectrum thinks the same way. But if you are pro capitalist. You simply aren't thinking. Capital, markets, and currency. All existed before capitalism. The only thing capitalism did was justify the wealth and power of the wealthy and Powerful Beyond being simply born to wealthy powerful people. Now you get to be a wealthy powerful person by having capital. Which ironically just so happens to be most common among people born too powerful people. New boss same as the old boss. Funny how that works.
If you support capitalism, then yes, you defend billionaires.
- Counterpoint: Nope.
- If that were the case (which it isnt) I dont see a problem defending billionaires (and on the side also everybody's freedom and justice)...
- You've left an anti-China warmongering echo chamber for a place where moderation isn't predicated on silencing dissent against the west. The people you describe as 'pro-China' bots have plenty of issues with Chinese policy decisions. Accepting that the USA and capitalism more generally are evil forces in world politics are not state generated.
You're a capitalist? How much capital do you own?
- Well, a lot less after January of 2021... I was at 4.3 mil, and lost about 1.2 mil. (starting from less than zero, first child was born on Medicaid).

I am just happy to be dancing for once.

And with a partner who is undoubtedly attracted to you no less!
Look at you go.

holy shit can we see an actual meme on this instance?

Non-stop circle jerking
Has to be breaking a rule by this point
I think what you are looking for is called Shitposting. 😅

So everybody on Lemmy is non-capitalist is what you're saying?

A large proportion of Lemmy are not pro-capitalist, yes.
- Thats still very much generalizing. What this meme essentially says is that if you're a capitalist, you're not part of Lemmy.
  On a seperate note, you cant possibly know how many people on Lemmy actually support capitalism or not. It has a left tendency, yes, but I bet the majority of Lemmx users do support caputalidm in some shape or form.
Does anyone here own capital? As in being haut bourgeoisie? Probably not.
If you support capitalism and you're not a capitalist you're just a bootlicker.
- Yes, I probably have assets valued at .5-1M that I've accumulated with my family.
- You wouldn’t be any better off on a socialist system. The people at the top of the party would control everything and the working class would be even poorer than they are now. You’re just licking the left boot instead of the right one.

Never mind that not a single one of them pipes up when some lazy fascist bullshit gets posted here.

Only when it's left of like 1990s Biden then they all lose their fuckin minds.

Fake. There are no women here.

I have moobs and long hair, just keep dancing bro.
- Yeah, and I am the real Tony Hawk!
Real. There are a few women here
Yes there are. Stop being weird. (Am woman)

The delusional thought process is fantastic.

You have, maybe 2k users here, defederate a new insurance a day, and users are constantly finding lack of content; but yeah it's the normal user who is quite in the corner 🤣

- 👌🤣

Where funny?

Here

Mince you into fertilizer 😂 Reminds me of Soylent Green and Oddworld

Capitalists need workers to oppress. Without them, they would have nothing to give them a feeling of superiority. Mincing people into fertilizer would surely be a fun pastime for the rich, but it's hardly a sustainable hobby

Capitalists don't care about sustainability.
They would if those workers were trying to unionize.
Free Market Capitalism would bring back slavery if we let them.
- Free Market Capitalism
  Oxymoron
You have a rather one dimensional moustache twirling view of the world. Let me guess, communism is the one stop solves all problems in the world solution without any negative side effects?
You do understand that that is not how the world works, or for that matter, how anything works?
Seriously, your comment is plain nonsense. Yes, captialism has a shitload of issues. Yes, there are rich and abusive people out there. Yes, communism is responsible for countless millions of deaths and tortured...
Instead of making up weird fantasies, how about to try to come up with an idea that would actually make things better?
- I missed the part where the person you're replying to mentioned communism at all.
- Communism as Marx described, has to do more with the complete automatization of the means of production, and the subsequently change of the structure of society, as a result of post scarcity.
  Remember that just past Mars humanity has a near infinite repository of resources, it's only on this earth that we are subjected to the rat race, when we have the wealth of the universe so close.
  You may think that I'm dreaming, but if we let capital unchecked, it will destroy us, and destroy earth. We have nothing to lose but our chains.
- Thinking about how to make the world better starts with fantasizing, and moves on to theorizing and debating ideas. Calling the many decades of socialist and communist thought just fantasies goes beyond all reason. At this point you're just ragebaiting. This is not how you talk to people.

Bad take

- Is this how lemmy debates online?
  I'm about this close to going back on reddit. They're idiots and commies over there but usually not both lol

For the anti-capitalists, I have a genuine question (sorry, I couldn't find an "ask a commie" community):

In the capitalist system there is a movement called Financial Independence Retire Early (FIRE) where people commit to living frugally in an effort to maximize savings and investments. The goal is to achieve a balance that allows you live off a safe withdrawal rate (around 3.5-4%) and then leave the workforce at an earlier than normal age. Some people commit to a life of minimalism and lean-FIRE with under $20k in investment income per year. I believe there is significant overlap with the van-life crowd and other nomadic lifestyles.

Is this lifestyle compatible with, or is there a similar lifestyle within a communist system? To expand, can those with a different set of priorities trade away their later working days in exchange for less material things?

I can only answer as capitalist. FIRE relies on accumulated interest. For workers it should be the same if 10 billionaires or 100,000 FIRE investors own their companies.
UBI should be fairer.
Both scenarios are the same. Work 20 years hard and then stop working.
The FIRE owner have an interest in low wages for the workers whereas in UBI, more income for workers could mean more to be shared.
Let me put it this way. For capitalism to continue there's an ever-marching goal of exponential profit. To get more profit you must work harder and the company must pay you less and work you longer. At some point you will be crushed. Nothing can expect exponential returns, yet capitalism constantly expects that.
Communism wouldn't need retirement because such a society wouldn't have an exponential motive for existence. Work would be done as needed instead of constantly more and more and more. I wouldn't mind being in my 80's and still "working" because all the work I'd do would have a direct positive result on my community instead of more money for someone pocketing the excess value of my labor over what they paid me.
Besides, who would need to push papers around for companies in an economic system that is moneyless and stateless? (communism is literally moneyless and stateless so USSR, China, Valenzuela, etc. are not communist since they have a state)

It's the other way round. The fear of being left out makes the lemmies dance off a cliff.

(I know, the movie was fake.)

The capitalist sees that the lemmies keep dancing without wondering why the music is playing.

- Let's call the capitalists on the yachts billionaires.
  I am defending the capitalistic view that markets are key to wealth distribution. Socialists and communists agree. That's why they want to replace them.
  My point is that there needs to be competition on all markets. There must be enough housing that rent becomes cheap.
  For that to happen, lemmies have to vote for politicians who change zoning laws to allow cheap housing.
  Instead I see lemmies having fun with revolutions, new technologies and debates about the inclusion of anarchists. Those are all beautiful dancing partners but they won't reduce rent because there won't be a revolution.

Get that mfer, kick his ass!

Tell me how you don't know the difference between corporatocracy and capitalism without telling me how you don't know the difference between corporatocracy and capitalism.

I don't recall giving a party hat to capitalists.

That's ok, they bought their own! 😄

Wealth redistribution is good. Socialism definitely could end up being better than capitalism with the right implementation and regulations. A socialist revolution is a bad idea; wealth redistribution can be implemented in capitalism. Lobbying is real, but voting still makes a difference. Vote in more than just the presidential election and canvas for issues or politicians you support. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

A socialist revolution is a bad idea; wealth redistribution can be implemented in capitalism.
That's what capitalists want you to think.
- very enlightening i never thought of it that way
All the generally established capitalist wiggleroom like minimum wages, paid holiday, affordable health care, education instead of manual labour for children etc were established by massive strikes and (threats of) violent masses.
- progress isnt a continous upward climb in the short term. In the 90s crime shot up and no gay marriage soooo. We can definitely go farther with capitalism like with higher taxes on the rich, minimum base income, etc. Voting does matter, if you dont vote you have no leverage over those who speak for you.

Capitalism is a good library, it's the devs that implement it wrongly 😭

Capitalism can never work, because it's self defeating. The point of capitalism is to maximize immediate profits, nothing else - as a result, it will gladly destroy its own means of growth if as a result instant profits increase.
- But it's working, many are happy. If you're unhappy it's probably your fault and not the fault of the system you are living in. Take ownership of your situation and improve it.
- Regulations, regulations, mors regulations!

>>politicalmemes

Someone creating a specific community doesn't add rules to existing general communities. You should start an apolitical memes community!
- What? Using lemmy as intended and finding a community that fits my needs or starting my own?!
  Then how will I inflict my will on all the people in existing communities as is my real intent?!
You are in this meme.
- Yeah no shit it reads 'lemmy', everyone here is in this meme

mincing me into fertilizer instead of making me sell their crap at 5k% markup gets them more money how?

The operating word is “would”. If it served their needs, they would. Not that they’re going to right now, obviously.
Because if you were spreading dangerous ideas like Unions and livable pay, they would stand to lose a lot more than whatever profit you were generating.