"Deprogramming" the Trump cult
"Deprogramming" the Trump cult
Hillary Clinton says MAGA voters need to be saved from themselves. Experts on exactly what that might take
Stop mentioning Hillary. She’s old news. She’s as relevant to 2023 politics as hunter biden.
84No kidding, I don't know why she feels the need to insert herself in this year's politics with this super divisive "cult deprogramming" language/narrative. Not that a lot of folks don't need to step down from the rhetoric of violence and demagoguery that's a big part of MAGA, they absolutely, do... but seriously, Hillary, you are such an unnecessary bull in the china shop on this right now. Like her or hate her, I think it's a pretty objective statement that bringing the temperature down and bringing people together just isn't something her presence and choice of language in this debate is going to accomplish.
20She shares the blame for Trump being elected. She campaigned shittily and she was a shitty candidate. The DNC conspiracy to prop her up as the chosen nominee is also to blame.
Those elements combined with Obama hate from Trumptards and the Russian propaganda all over social media produced the result we got.
16She's arrogant. Simple as.
5Well, did she insert herself here or did someone do it for her for clickbait
4Probably because she's not planning on running so she can say what she really thinks without giving a fuck about whether it offends some people's delicate sensibilities?
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Came in here to say basically this. The fact that they used Hilary as the image for this articles headline killed any credibility instantly. She is not relevant and hasn't been since she lost. There is zero positives to bringing her up. Unless you want an example of exactly how not to run a presidential campaign.
13I saw the link was from Salon.com... as relevant to politics as TMZ is to climate change.
5Yes let's all continue ignoring the people who were warned us about the dangers of a Trump presidency.
Surely she doesn't know what she's talking about. Also she is not wrong.
But you know fake internet points on a reddit knock off matter more, apparently.
-1Literally everyone with half a fucking brain knew Trump would be terrible. The fact that she was so unlikable and ran such a bad campaign that people didn't bother to show up and vote for her tells you everything. She needs to shut the fuck up, and disappear.
The mere sight of her face makes me not want to vote Democrat. I never was one, and her attempts to shame me into voting for her only made me think about that more. The "big tent party" needs more than fear mongering to win elections. I don't really care for Joe Biden either, but I didn't feel ill voting for him. He didn't tell me I owed it to him, that I had to vote for him or I was deplorable. He at least said a few things that made me want to vote.
2I’m not saying she’s wrong. I’m saying she’s irrelevant at this point. if for some reason you don’t like this social network, you should go back to Reddit
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The biggest thing that I can see that needs to be done would be shutting down "news" organizations like FOX News, OAN, and Newsmax. Also, breaking up online movements like Q where blatant misinformation is spread as if it's proven truth.
Now, HOW you do that without massive first amendment violations, I don't know. You would also need to be careful how it's structured because that could easily be used to shut down anyone left of center should a Republicans take the presidency/control Congress.
82Gotta look at that right wing radio cabal also
38Education and critical thinking skills. Which is why they want to defund public schools so all children can be indoctrinated in “Christian” private schools.
28Shutting down Facebook would be huge. It's a cesspool of propaganda.
5A lot of social media and sites with algorithms are problematic. They tend to steer people to content that's more and more radical in nature. You start out with innocuous stuff, but the more extreme the content, the bigger the reaction, and thus the algorithm will guide the user to more of that content. (Ryan George illustrated this perfectly: https://youtu.be/x1aZEz8BQiU?si=g3xw0tbDV-4vSyCH )
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There's no need to shut them down:
"The fairness doctrine of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, was a policy that required the holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that fairly reflected differing viewpoints. In 1987, the FCC abolished the fairness doctrine"
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I have a hard time taking this article seriously. I don’t understand why it feels the need to tout HC so fiercely. I guess she was right about "deplorables" but everyone else was correct in pegging her as an out of touch elite. The DNC's inability to back candidates that can help working class people continually emboldens right-wing extremists. It’s not hard to see how the Dems' center-right stances open the door for far-right reactions. Yes, they are deplorables but HC is not one of the good guys.
36I don't understand why the DNC (as in the actual organization, not Democrat voters) is so god damn obsessed with Hillary. It feels like they would crown her queen if they could. Makes me wonder if she has some dirt on key people in their organization or something.
6I think it has something to do with Democrats still feeling "hurt" over the absurdity of the Clinton impeachment and other sham issues Republicans have with her, that they have some need to redeem her image. Letting her go feels like accepting a loss.
6Are they obsessed, or is it just that she's not campaigning for anything and so she's ripe for the media junket?
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I have a hard time taking this article seriously.
Not a surprise given it's from Salon. It's a shitrag. I haven't read this article but I've noticed a pattern based on other articles being posted around Lemmy. A third is rabble-rousing and pandering to the virtue signaling far left. Half is adjacent filler content. The rest is a valid meaningful point worthy of real discussion and has little to do with the headline.
Just noting the comment below about "Republicans are programmed due to their echo chambers"... Dude, if you believe that's a republican-only phenomenon, you have been programmed by the echo chamber you follow. I'd love a source for "people who don't follow the news have been shown to be more informed than republicans".
Speaking of "echo chambers", that full of shit comment is getting upvoted. You might find yourself currently inside the echo chamber.As a liberal progressive, I'm worried that so many of us are falling prey to the tactics that have worked for conservative media for decades. I thought we were supposed to be more intelligent. It seems like tribalism really is all that matters - intellectualism be damned.
3I'd love a source for "people who don't follow the news have been shown to be more informed than republicans".
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Back in the day, their grandparents happily filled public swimming pools with cement rather than accept allowing 'others' to have a good time.
33Defunding and privatization of public schools also started for similar reasons
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17Let the Trump cult be. They are a minority of a minority.
Focus on fielding quality candidates that are not Hillary-Clinton-esk and Maga will fade away. Focus on getting out the vote. Focus on issues that resonate with the center right to center left.
It's not that hard of a concept, but it it doesn't sell ad clicks. It doesn't drive engagement either. So we get to wring our hands and are subject to Salon articles for the next 13 months instead.
6I'm not saying that you're wrong. But I am saying that history doesn't agree with your approach.
If you're in an enclosed space with a crazy person who's flailing around with a knife, " leave them alone and let's focus on ourselves" isn't going to mitigate the damage.
23You cannot be tolerant to intolerance if you want a tolerant society.
16I totally agree. My comment misses that point.
2Popper's paradox of intolerance was written nearly a century ago. Your definition and his definition of tolerance are not the same.
In fact, if you actually read his works instead of a wikipedia article headline(lol), then you will find YOU are the one he was criticizing. Popper believed the intolerant were those who would rely on censorship rather than debate. Literally, tolerance of debate.
As you can imagine, I find the irony of your comment hilarious.
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Obviously they need to Pokémon Go to therapy.
5Trying to get to the root of the ideology is almost impossible.
Asking why they have those opinions is futile they have no opinions past the surface layer.
In fact bringing up contradictory facts is an attack, its crazy.
Everyone deserves a chance at redemption for us to heal as a country we have to leave the door open for them to cone back in... its going to be very difficult if they are choosing willful ignorance.
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