A different point of view (shamelessly stolen from an imgur dump)
A different point of view (shamelessly stolen from an imgur dump)
I like this approach. "funny meme" aside, I think it is a good way of showing how much a certain language can affect how other people think and feel about a subject. Just read it THAT way and "being neurotypical" suddenly sounds like a disorder that isn't fully compatible with the public, doesn't it?
We live in a world that isn't exactly kind to people on the spectrum. It is loud, flashy, hectic, overwhelming, unrewarding but you're still expected to work like a cog in a machine, despite having fewer and fewer places where you'd actually "fit in" without grinding gears, and whenever there is some sort of public talk about that topic, it always, always sounds like the affected person is the problem and personally responsible for fixing themselves, when a no small part of "not fitting in" is due to society itself. Maybe a change in language is due to remove that stigma.
Points 2 and 5 are waaaay off but the rest are pretty funny.
Point 2 is literally the definition of ND folk who get ankle deep in a new hobby then abandon it when their interest passes.
Point 5... I'd wager the vast majority of ND people blow at math. They also absolutely suck at seeing patterns you aren't hyper focusing on lol. It's literally baked into the diagnoses of ADHD comorbidities.
34“Your interests are shallow” → “You aren’t interested in things for their intrinsic use value, but for their exchange value in forming social bonds with other neurotypicals who have imprinted on the same token (TV show, political party, sports team, etc.) Talking about these interests is not primarily an exchange of information, but rather a grooming behaviour, like chimpanzees picking lice out of each other’s coats, only done with language “
28Stop, stop! they're already dead!
6Lmao what a shit take.
-4Lmao what a shit take.
Great summary of every comment you've made in this thread.
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Every time you avoid small talk you get a lovely sticker
Germans: I have so many stickers!
Finns: crushed by weight of stickers, nobody calling for help
27I mean yeah if I described autism using a bunch of statements that absolutely do not define autism, then it would sound dumb and bad. OP is acting like this is a list of neurotypical behaviors when it's actually just an inverted list of neurodivergent behaviors. Neurotypicality is not the reciprocal of neurodivergence.
20It literally is though. How would you define "neurodivergence" if not "everything which is not neurotypical"?
10"Divergent" does not equal "opposite".
A turtle is different than a lizard, the two lineages "diverged" evolutionarily at some point. I could describe a lizard as a scaled, heterothermic, terrestrial organism. If I describe something as a scale-less, homeothermic, non-terrestrial organism, I'm not describing a turtle, I'm just describing a "non-lizard". Don't confuse "neurodivergent" with "anti-neurotypical", they're not the same thing.
By your logic, for a person to be considered "neurodivergent" they would have to be completely 100% unlike a neurotypical person in every single way, which is simply not the case.
25How would you define “neurodivergence” if not “everything which is not neurotypical”? I would say "exhibiting at least one behavior that differs from neurotypicality in a significant way".
IMO, “everything which is not neurotypical” would define the complete set of "neurodivergent behaviors". "neurodivergence" on its own is just a property that a person can have.
The set of neurodivergent people, however, contains all people who are not neurotypical.
Per my definitions: "Josh is neurodivergent" means that Josh is not in the set of neurotypical people.
Per my definitions: "Stimming is neurodivergent" does not mean that sitting stock-still is in the set of neurotypical behaviors. It means that if you exhibit stimming, you are in the set of people with neurodivergence.
You and that other person are disagreeing about the definition of words, but you're arguing about those words' meanings in different contexts.
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11wait the number pattern thing is autism? I'm sorry, I have ADHD and the ADHD doctor also told me I'm probably on the spectrum. wow I love number pattern stuff though, I didn't know it was associated.
I got 81 as a table number the other day and I was stoked because it's 3^4. on reflection the doctor was probably right.
10ADHD and autism are commonly comorbid.
10Got any strong opinions on trains or planes
6I mean I fucking love planes but less particular models and more that I'm still blown away they work at all. I love sitting on them and thinking about all the engineering.
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1the doctor said that while it was very likely, it was unlikely getting a formal diagnosis would open up any additional treatment avenues.
it's funny finding stuff like this though, it feels very right.
I'll look up asd1, thanks!
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I'm beginning to get the impression that people with autism reaaaally don't like people witbout autism.
10I'm married to one. They don't dislike people without autism. They just don't like the social norms and expectations that cause them harm.
This is a venting post. I don't think anyone is interested in harming non autistic people.
15Hey, I love neurotypicals, they're great, hell one of my freinds younger brother has neurotypicalism and he's such a quirky lil goofball but he can actually behave himself most of the time too, we get along really well.
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Tbh because I've had to adapt to a neurotyp society in my own way, different from how other autistic people have had to adapt in THEIR own ways, I actually get along better with Nuerotyps better than other Autists, and no, fuck changing my terminology I dont mean Autist in a derogatory sense
2There may be a sore spot after centuries of dehumanizing abuse.
1The point of the post isn't to express dislike, it's to make it clear how they feel when they're being described in a stigmatized way while venting some frustration about social norms they don't really see a point in.
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Allistic, weird.
8Neurotypicals are an important part of a full and inclusive society, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't spend resources looking for a cure, or look into causes and ways to prevent it.
7You read into phrases past their actual meanings
Instead of saying what you think, you expect others to infer it based on subjective social rules
I see these as legitimately bad things that people should not do. The fact that society considers this normal is horrible!
5"You read into phrases past their actual meanings" "Instead of saying what you think, you expect others to infer it based on subjective social rules"
The main issues is that you have to do that because other people will use double meanings no matter what. For exemple to double cross you regarding something. So you have to be able to read them.
Meanwhile there's actually an other case when people use double meanings : when they can't foster the courage to tell you something really important that would change everything, or to which you could react badly. Like that they are in love with you. In that case infered double meanings will allow the other person to react by sending similar double meanings to signify that they are on the same page, creating a much reassuring envirronment to finally confess their feelings.
Our species is insanely bad at finding partner. Like wildly bad.
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5Some of those points apply tho other not-neurotypicals.
5True. I think the larger point is that we have to be careful what social norms we adopt as a society to make sure we aren't leaving a large group of people out.
I see this post as just venting and trying on a new perspective.
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One of my exes is autistic and also had dyscalcula. Took me a while to accept that she will never enjoy math like I do. It was depressing.
3"being decent at math" why would I work to be decent at something I can just bullshit my way through
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