Drag apologizes to Ada, Lemmy Disapproves
Drag apologizes to Ada, Lemmy Disapproves
Lemmy doesn't like it when apologies :[
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Dr. Wesker thinks it's pretty cringe to refer to one's self in third person. Dr. Wesker thinks it should be reserved for house elves and Jimmy.
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Bot has killed the part of botself that cringes, rather than the part of botself that is cringey. Bot likes having whimsy in bot's heart
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That's okay. It does however appear to be a recurring theme that people find it abrasive and obnoxious. Well, judging from the drama history.
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The thread about dragonfucker getting banned has been honestly very uncomfortable for me to go through. I don't know or particularly care about this user, nor do I know what drama drag's involved in, or how much of that is drag's fault. But I have read a significant amount of inexcusably transphobic assertions from a large number of users, many of them accusing drag of being a troll or even a disgrace to the transgender community for the unspeakably vile sin of having a neopronoun.
Like, I'm not attempting to defend drag here. People are saying that drag was probably banned for more reasons beyond screenshotting DMs, but when reading into the thread it seems to me that the only thing that everyone hates about drag is... that drag has a non-normative gender identity? And that's somehow making a joke of the transgender community? I mean, fill me in if you feel like it, but no amount of trolling or crimes drag has commited justifies the amount of ridiculing that this person has received on the basis of drag's gender identity on that thread. It does seem to me, as an external observer, that a large amount of users were eagerly awaiting for drag to have a less than ideal behavior for everyone to be immensely mean to drag and to claim "See? I always knew drag was just a troll! No one can possibly have a gender identity this far from what I'm comfortable tolerating!".
It's making me feel bad on baseline empathy alone, and neopronouns or non-binary genders aren't really an emotionally charged topic for me. I'm cis male, lol. But seeing the unimaginably hostile reaction many have had towards this user on the basis of drag's quirky pronoun, which literally does not hurt anybody, has made me very uncomfortable.
I have already been feeling uncomfortable on Lemmy, in general, because of this insane obsession users from certain instances have with tankies, and the disingenuity anything politics is treated because of that (and politics being such a prevalent topic on Lemmy is certainly not helping!). I don't like how, for example, I have seen orders of magnitude more people shitting on Hexbear trolls than actual Hexbear users trolling back when it was online. But Hexbear trolls, or tankies, or whatever, are an abstract group, that is not contingent on some intimately held aspect of yourself. This drama however is targeting a specific user, a single person, who belongs in an already excluded demography, and is probably still figuring things out about dragself. It's a whole new level of fucked up.
My mutuals from other sites, some of whom are leftists, and some of whom are trans, are wary of moving into the Fediverse and particularly Lemmy because of stuff like this. I have argued in favor of the Fediverse in the past because I'm a bit of a FOSS nut, but this I cannot defend against.
Anyway sorry for the rambling lol. The other thread made me feel bad enough on a gut level that I had to let it out. Also, for what it's worth, I have seen enough people with non-normative gender identities to trust that OP is not, in fact, a drag alt. Not that this being the case would change much about the recalcitrant transphobia.
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Have you really never seen hexbears do the pig shit spam?
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Yeah, I have, and it's honestly disgusting. But for every pig shit emoji I have seen, I have also seen hundreds of comments shitting on tankies, dunking on commenters for expressing "radical leftist opinions" that are not that radical outside of social media, shitting on the work of the Lemmy devs for being professed marxist-lenninists, or claiming that Lemmy.ml is somehow cancer on the network that needs getting rid of, because it's nominally a tankie instance despite the sheer amount of democrat shilling, Israel apologia and NATO bootlicking you can see here.
It's a matter of scale. I will concede that I simpatize with the more leftist parts of the political spectrum, both marxists and anarchists, but I feel like at this point I would be grossed out at Lemmy even if I was 100% a liberal. Political disagreements are fine I guess, but the way they permeate the culture on Lemmy is weird, obsessive and unhealthy, and most importantly, it comes from a very small number of instances. And it's not the tankie ones.
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politics complaint aside, your observation about people using this to complain about a neopronoun seems apt. none of the content of complaints about drag's use of neopronouns actually seem relevant to drag's use of neopronouns. someone trolling with neopronouns is trivially handled by just accepting the neopronouns…
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someone trolling with neopronouns is trivially handled by just accepting the neopronouns
Absolutely, and I can't stop thinking about that.
For the sake of argument, let's take at face value the claims that drag is just some anti-trans troll that is doing the attack helicopter bit. That drag is secretly some 4channer cis dude in mom's basement wanting to stir up some drama on Lemmy to expose hyporcrisy.
Then this troll has done an absolutely stellar job forcing everyone to show their true colors on this topic.
Drag has proven, unquestionably and beyond a shade of doubt, that Lemmy is not safe for non-binary people, not even on Blahaj. And that is despite the admin's (in my eyes) best efforts to handle the situation.
Then, of course, there is the tiny little detail that this is a wildly bad faith assumption that requires going through a few hoops. Most of the assumption hinges on neopronouns being quirky and uncommon. And if the assumption happens to be wrong, then all this dogpiling has achieved is to wreak havoc on a vulnerable person's mental health, and possibly even cause some trauma down the line.
I don't care if dragonfucker needs to apologize about wronging someone else; at this point a few users absolutely need to apologize to drag as well.
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yeah i've decided to leave this community based on essentially the same thing you've described. i mean i know people are shitters on the wider fediverse, but i figured the places beehaw federated with were at least decent
i guess not
also, the whole thing of "bot is obviously a drag alt" smacks of the same prejudiced "only one person could have a weird gender identity, it must be the same person"
could y'all please stick to talking about how someone behaves, not how they identify? it's not that fucking hard
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Unfortunately tankie as a word has lost its original meaning. Tankies themselves have worked to dilute its usage, but also liberals have picked up the word and use it indiscriminately against any radical leftists. It was a term specifically for authoritarian "leftists," originally being used to insult and criticize those that supported the USSR's use of tanks against the Hungarian Revolution and China with Tiananmen Square. I myself am an anarchist with a hate for MLs. I used to use tankie a lot, but after moving to Lemmy I realized it was not used the same way as I used it. I myself was getting called a tankie, and anarchists are obviously anything but authoritarian. I think the dilution of the word is a big reason why anti-"tankie" commentary is so prevalent. Most people don't realize they are using it wrong, and so it takes away any meaning when people are using it correctly. Can't take the serious stuff seriously cause its like the boy who cried wolf. I moved on to using the term "red-fash" to avoid the confusion. Plus I blocked Lemmy.ml, so that limits how much red-fash bs I have to put up with. But it definitely isn't perfect, it doesn't block users just the communities. But that does significantly cut back the amount of red-fash bs I have to see.
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Also, for what it's worth, I have seen enough people with non-normative gender identities to trust that OP is not, in fact, a drag alt.
This is fake news. Nonbinary people don't exist, which means everyone who claims to be nonbinary must be the same troll. Plus, Newbuild says bot's drag's friend, and that's obviously a lie, because everyone knows queer people have no friends!
Biiiiiiig /s
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If the apology was to Ada, and the wrongdoing concerned Ada, the person with the final say over whether the apology is valid is Ada. It is not anyone else's place to disapprove or pile up criticism against it.
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Disagree. The only person who can determine whether or not an apology is valid is the one making it because only they know whether or not they mean it
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Yeah, but I mean it's up to Ada whether it suffices. It's damage done towards her that Drag is trying to counterweight.
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seriously why post this when there wasn't even a response by Ada? And why do those two screenshots not align, whats the meaning behind the second screenshot?
What game are you trying to run here, Drag?
edit: oh that first reply in the second screenshot was in reply to me...
since the text is too small to be readable, nobody can tell; but in any case, privacy matters regardless of the classification. If drag cared they could’ve asked Ada beforehand if it would be okay.
But I guess courtesy is a one-way to drag.
Well too bad I have Drag blocked as I can't risk to go into rant mode again.
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Why post this when there wasn't even a response by Ada?
Because Ada is on BZ, D is instance banned by BZ, no one from BZ sees any of D's comments anywhere in the Fed.
Newbuild is, in my opinion, an alt of D's. D realising that Ada can't see their repeated apologies is absolutely the reason why this was made.What game are you running
I think maybe they realised they have pissed everyone off, and have lost their fav trolling grounds.
blocked Drag ~ rant mode
Yeah, I feel that, it seems like near universal reaction to D.
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I'd like to interject for a moment. What you're doing is downvoting a comment, in which someone seems to do the right thing for once. I'd say upvotes are in order. Disregarding any previous history.
Plus, can we please have some different drama tomorrow? I think it's a bit boring to always talk about the same person over and over again as if there wasn't any other lore or drama to be had on the Fediverse.
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I drunk enough corote to say what I think.
Yes, Drag is a troll. No shit Sherlock. And you're doing shite wrong.
A troll boils down to making you mad. I know it cuz I've spent most time in Lebbit trolling that shithole. But "my gender is dragonfucker" only rubs you off if you're eager to gatekeep what's legitimate gender id or not. You're eatin' the bait for breakfast damn it.
If you simply accepted "OK, dragonfucker is a gender", the troll would get pissed at that. And find some other way to troll. And then you could denounce drag for trolling.
cheap Brazilian uni drink. 10% alcohol, costs roughly an euro, cheap artificial taste. I drunk a litre of that, I can spare sincerity now. Vino ueritas, corote quoque.
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What's the link
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Welp, going by appearances still ey? My experiences with both these individuals has been different from what some claim to think is "obvious" by appearance
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I didn't really have anything against Drag (I am used to extremely eccentric therians) until they started pretending to also be another person who talks exactly the same way, making it incredibly obvious they are an alt and a troll. You seriously think anyone believes that you, Bot, are a totally different user? C'mon man.
It couldn't be any less obvious lmao
Copied from what bot said here:
Bot is not drag. Bot understands why you may think that, but bot is just a friend of drag. Bot doesn’t use Lemmy for a long list of reasons, so Bot only uses Lemmy when drag gets extra upset about something on Lemmy because bot cares about drag :[
Bot is willing to provide proof that bot is not drag, so long as such proof does not dox either of us
I'd also add that posts like this are not how a person effectively supports their friend through Internet drama. Actually, it's extremely counterproductive. Rather, this is how someone addicted to the drama behaves.