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Israel shows footage of Hamas killings ‘to counter denial of atrocities'

www.theguardian.com Israel shows footage of Hamas killings ‘to counter denial of atrocities'

Video from security cameras, mobile phones and body cameras screened to journalists

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This is some serious whataboutism. Yeah, we know Hamas does this but that doesn't make it ok to do what Israel is doing either.

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- Unfortunately, some observers are casting doubts on the Hamas atrocities.
  
  That being said, I agree entirely that this is just a deflection attempt from Israel.
  
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  In the holocaust, the Jews were not going around killing German children and murdering families. The Muslims are dehumanizing themselves.
  
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- you can say this about nearly any conflict in history
  
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  Yes, but this is disproportionate. The people are walled in, they have no prospects, they can't go anywhere, they have no army. This bombing is disproportionate. This isn't defense. It's genocide.
  
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- Not really.
  
  It is more that, over the past few weeks, all the major talking points have been "did Hamas rape that specific woman" or "did Hamas decapitate that baby or just set it on fire and kick it around a bit" and so forth. And, regardless of what actually happened with that hospital, "the entire world" is going to always assume it was Israel.
  
  This is an attempt to point out how incredibly stupid all that was. because maybe Hamas raped the woman they stripped beat, and maybe killed (have we heard anything since her mother claimed she was in a hospital?). They definitely have raped plenty of other women. Maybe Hamas decapitated those babies and maybe they just burned them alive and desecrated their corpses. But they have decapitated plenty of other babies and people. And so forth
  
  Which is less about "Well, the IDF is justified for all their crimes against humanity now" and more "Well. Both sides are pretty evil and I guess this is a war?"
  
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- So what you're saying is noone is allowed to talk about the terrible things Hamas do, it's only ok to talk about the terrible things Israel do? Any time someone says Hamas did a bad thing people like you immediately point to Israel and say "what about them".
  
  Your hypocrisy is astonishing.
  
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  Holy projection, batman!
  
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- Wait what is Israel doing?
  
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  War crimes, lots of them.
  
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  Adding to what everyone else said there's telling people to evacuate to certain locations and then bombing them, bombing evacuating trucks full of mostly women and children (who can't be Hamas fighters) and using white phosphorus.
  
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  Genocide
  
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  Joined 4 months ago and this is their ONE comment. Wth
  
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Any latecomers to the thread are heartily encouraged to skip this comment section, stretch, relax their neck and shoulders, and drink some water.

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- Only valid response in the thread. Damn. Some people.
  
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- I wish I listened to your warning
  
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This is the best summary I could come up with:

Israeli authorities have shown harrowing footage of killings and mutilations during Hamas’s rampage in southern Israel on 7 October.

The government showed the 43-minute compilation in a private screening for dozens of foreign journalists at a military base in Tel Aviv on Monday to counter what it said were attempts to deny or downplay the extent of the atrocities.

The audience was not allowed to record the compilation but one excerpt, approximately one minute long, was released to the public: it showed Hamas militants flagging down a car as it drove slowly along a rural road.

The gunmen open fire, hitting the vehicle, which swerved and halted, revealing two people slumped in the front seats.

Still images showed a decapitated soldier, charred human remains, including those of young children, and several Islamic State flags, the Times of Israel reported.

The screening took place amid renewed appeals to Israel to halt its bombing of Gaza, which killed at least 400 Palestinians in the past 24 hours, bringing the total death toll in the territory to more than 5,000, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.

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That they have to even have to counter denial is so incredibly fucked. So many terrorism and war-crime aligned apologists, it's just horrific.

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The audience was not allowed to record the compilation but one excerpt, approximately one minute long, was released to the public

So 1 minute of verified footage?

Edit: release the snyder cut

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- Why so you can celebrate it? Holy fuck man, your attempt to sew doubt is exactly why they released it. You should consider not being pro terrorist and war crimes.
  
  Your comment literally make the point. JUST WOW.
  
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  your attempt to sew doubt is exactly why they released it.
  
  Except they didn't release it. They released one minute of footage. All I'm asking is that we let the journalists verify the other 42 minutes.
  
  Is that really an insane ask? It's not
  
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The Hamas killings were terrible and started all of this in the first place.

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- I think you'll find that the conflict is quite a bit older than Hamas is.
  
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  And older than Israel
  
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  I remember when Hamas put Netanyahu in power, allowing him to beat Perez by less than 1% thanks to their suicide and bus bombings of civilians. They been loyal partners wver since. And Hamas made sure that Israel couldn't politically sustain the withdrawal of Palestian territories and autonomy that had happened. A lot of ppl don't even know that happened (Isreal withdrawal and autonomy).
  
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No one is seriously denying the horrors of 7 Oct. They didn't do this to counter anything, they did it to shock journalists. Frankly, I think what they did was abusive.

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- Are you suggesting they kidnapped the journalists and forced them to watch it? As far as I've understood, this was voluntary.
  
  Also, there absolutely are corners of the internet that are denying that any atrocities occurred at all.
  
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  Corners of the internet, sure. However those people aren't going to be convinced by some journalists they don't know watching 43 minutes of curated gore porn.
  
  Voluntary or not, videos like that would be traumatising and most journalists would feel obligated to watch - it's their job.
  
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- Yes, they are... you don't even have to leave lemmy to see them. It's super low effort to find. Just browse a little.
  
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  No one is seriously denying the horrors of 7 Oct.
  
  Replace seriously with "honestly" or "genuinely" if it suits you better.
  
  My point is, saying it didn't happen isn't a proper argument, and this presentation isn't genuinely meant to address that position either. It's meant to horrify people and distract from the atrocities that have happened since.
  
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