Signal no longer cooperating with Ukraine on Russian cyberthreats, official says
The encrypted messaging app Signal has stopped responding to requests from Ukrainian law enforcement regarding Russian cyberthreats, a Ukrainian official claimed, warning that the shift is aiding Moscow’s intelligence efforts.
First off, Signal hasn't said anything, this is an accusation made at a conference in Kyiv. So - who knows, they're behind, they don't have billions to support an army, who knows.
IF they have chosen to not help Ukraine where at all possible, that would be bad.
All of that said, if I was running a modern army using an encrypted chat app, I'd fucking have all that shit in-house, wtf. It's 2025. Ukraine already has a bunch of l337 h4X0rs. I'm sure they could slap something together in days and have it in the field in weeks.
not to mention the Signal protocol is open source so they could literally build something in days and ensure the same encryption
Maintaining and testing such an app has costs and risks. They may think it’s more secure that signal does this. It is also harder to attack all of signal.
They are also significantly resource constrained, everything they have goes towards defence. The effort building the app could be deployed on developing weapon systems they can’t buy.
Your right nations should have their own independent systems for secure communications for military, politicians and civil service.
I’m sure they could slap something together in days and have it in the field in weeks.
We make a lot of assumptions about how other people live, and what they have available.
What exactly is the cooperation that Signal was doing beforehand? Signal claims to collect very little data so I'm not sure how exactly they help?
Russia was caught running a bunch of side channel and phishing attacks using malicious QR codes. Presumably signal could help track these patterns in terms of time and place, to help isolate where espionage activity was occuring.
so I’m not sure how exactly they help?
I would say yes, that you are not sure how exactly they help, if I'm answering your question as written.
Did it ever respond to those "requests"? What would Signal have anyway other than phone number to login association.
Call logs?
Nope, all they collect is date of registration and last time the client connected to the server. Has been proven in court.
This seems to be the only source for this information, while on the other hand I'm seeing this;
Wired: A Signal Update Fends Off a Phishing Technique Used in Russian Espionage
Google warns that hackers tied to Russia are tricking Ukrainian soldiers with fake QR codes for Signal group invites that let spies steal their messages. Signal has pushed out new safeguards.
why aren't they using the matrix?
What's the difference in this context? Can't their enemies send dodgy links and QR codes on Matrix?
they can send anything, but if they run their own matrix on their own servers then the data stays in house.... important for govt or military things
Ok, they had choice to use Jami, app independent of anyone, but they chose centralization...
The article is about Signal providing info on what the Russians are doing on the app and not Ukraine using it themselves
Did they really? I assume they would do more research than me when choosing tech, but my initial reaction is "the fuck is a Jami?". Is this a big app in recent years?
bye bye signal just deleted it.
don't need to support a pro kremlin app
Hope you don't use (almost) any other messaging app either. If a single unsubstantiated article is enough to make you stop using something, you should be using almost nothing anywhere.
There's a whole ocean between 'a single (biased) source claims Signal have stopped responding to requests for cybercrime assistance' and 'Signal is a pro-Kremlin app'.
