When Lord of the Flies happened in real life, everyone was nice to each and they survived
145That's amazing. They continuously maintained a fire, set up a farm of chickens and grown produce, and even healed another kids leg.
58What a great read...thanks for sharing the link.
43Glad i had the chance to share it !
The authors book Human Kind (Rutger Bregman) argues that we have developed a pessimistic view of ourselves - and the vast majority of humans are basically decent people.
Itās got a lot of similar stories, where he revisits historical events and science experiments that have been used to paint humans as feral animals - and manages to debunk them, or at least expose the fragility of that argument.
He suggests that Survival of the Fittest is also a flawed concept - and that humans have succeeded because of superior collaboration and cooperation.
Review (and better synopsis) here - but itās a heart warming read.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/12/humankind-a-hopeful-history-by-rutger-bregman-review
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12it has the advantage of not being a work of fiction.
41Repeatedly history has shown that in dire circumstances, we help each other. Across time and cultures, in times of need, people get less selfish. When a natural disaster hits, or when a terrorist attack happens, people open their doors and pull out the spare mattresses and share food and clothing and volunteer to help and start patrolling the streets, even risking their own lives while doing so.
It's a well studied effect, and when you think about it for more than 5 seconds, we are a social animal first and foremost so of course "reverting back to out instincts" means building communities and helping others. Civilization makes us more selfish, not the other way around.Reality makes for terrible fiction though because most fiction is written through the lens of character conflict (especially in Hollywood) and "people help each other but some people die anyway from lack of resources or zombie attacke" is boring, so we have been "taught" to expect the opposite of what actually happens when shit hits the fan (actually I'd love a TV show to delve into that, like TLoU kinda did, but Hollywood is notoriously terrible at writing socio-cultural commentary).
18for the most part we can look at sentinel island. It has only been molested by a 'handful' of people and for all intents and purposes the inhabitants seem to be surviving in harmony with their tribe/space.
or were you talking about repeatedly tossing packs of kids and teens onto islands and writing down what happens. for science. I'd be willing to partake in the test if i wasn't aged out, if I'm being honest, id like to see where the breakdown happens and/or strengthening of a team begins, and nothing beats a 1st person view.
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This was great. Thanks for the article
11This article sucked me in. What a great read
11Look up his book ! Lots more of same. See my other reply
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/12/humankind-a-hopeful-history-by-rutger-bregman-review
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I came to the comments hoping someone would say this.
8Damn you, Mr Taniela Uhila
There was only one obstacle. None of them owned a boat, so they decided to āborrowā one from Mr Taniela Uhila, a fisherman they all disliked.
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But this wasnāt the end of the boysā little adventure, because, when they arrived back in Nukuāalofa police boarded Peterās boat, arrested the boys and threw them in jail. Mr Taniela Uhila, whose sailing boat the boys had āborrowedā 15 months earlier, was still furious, and heād decided to press charges.
6Then there was the time they tried doing a reality show with just kids, and they shut it down in a day cause it became Lord of the flies and the kids turned into little psychos
6Kid Nation did a full season.
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Quickly! Seize the conch while everyone else is confused!
19Lit.
8This book left such a big impression on me. Amazing pacing towards the end, I really couldn't put it down.
7Lord of the Flies says a lot about
how intensely shitty rich boarding school kids become sociopathssociety.
7Brilliant.
6Lol
5I'm really glad you posted this. Wow, thank you for your contribution. This is really, really quality stuff. Just wow.
3Here's the thing. A response like this on reddit wouldn't have surprised me. But imagine what would happen if folks on the internet re-engaged the public filter of "ya know, I don't really need to respond to this." How much more pleasant life might be if everyone considered that from time to time.
inb4 something something irony, something something hypocrite
4fart noise
3lol
1Shut it ya nerd
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This
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Piggy got rocked
5The door locks from the hallway?
5Just the door to the English Lit room.
9Must not be an American school.
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I never read this anyone wanna explain?
4A class of schoolboys get marooned on an island (can't remember how; plane crash?). They initially try to have a civilized society, but everything devolves terribly. They resort to factions and degrees of savagery (violence) by the end of the book when they ultimately get rescued. I think the people who find them are shocked by what they've become.
The lord of the flies is a rotting pig's head that one of the boys interprets as such due to a medical condition (epilepsy, maybe?) There's a ton more to be said about it, but I haven't read it in many years. The gist of the joke is that by locking the students in, they will be made to experience devolution first-hand over time.
And hey, because the word came up, new-wave / post-punk band Devo are playing their farewell tour. Tickets were higher than I can justify (I've never been a fan per se and would be going just to see a cultural icon), but if you're into them, go Devolve and have a fun time.
Oh, ETA: they initially formed their society by one boy blowing into a conch shell to draw others together. I missed the conch in the final frame.
4The setting of the book is ww2, children are evacuated via planes, but the planes are shot down, and only the children survive on island without any parents left. And the story begins around here. This is what the meme is referencing.
4wow so Lord of the Flies completely stole that plot-line from Yellowjackets?
authors can't write anything original anymore smh smh
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