3d ago

Hot take coming through

Something something leftist infighting

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if you voted for kamala we probably wouldn't be one protest away from martial law and natural born citizens in gulags

I am all for violent revolution. There comes a point where violence is the only answer left to us, and we are at that point.

One thing someone told me that I think is important: Trump (or whoever is actually running things) probably wants violent protests. That way, he can label everyone refusing a facist takeover as a terrorist and have them sent to El Salvador. He's toyed with the idea, so it's not absurd.
- Both Stephen Miller and Jeffrey Clark have been saying that. They’re two of trumps top aides. Is something the have publicly stated they want the admin to do. First they said it for the southern border but they’ve also said protests like BLM should be enough to trigger the insurrection act.
- Simultaneously, while I don't believe US citizens stand a single chance in hell against the full US military and law enforcement, I also don't really believe his regime and supporters are capable of quelling a real uprising so I'm not really an advocate for or against it unless elections actually aren't held.
  I also see this from the perspective that other nation's electoral systems are in much worse shape than the US currently.

Have you guys tried begging president Xi to save you? After all the color revolutions america has funded it would be hella funny for america to be saved by a color revolution.
- This comment simultaneously supports Chinese arming US Insurrectionists and also implies that US arming of insurrectionists was positive, which is a rare mix of violent imperial rhetoric aligned with both sides.
  
  I am decidedly against foreign intervention; But American mainstream media and government have a historic eagerness to promote foreign intervention and arming insurrections. so I'd love to see them put their money where their mouth is.

I want peaceful and lawful change. I'm open to other means.
- i will work for peaceful change but i won't fight against my own allies
  
  Don’t mistake your own countrymen for categorical allies

If you have an enemy that's trying to eradicate you, your choices at either to allow them to eradicate you, or to eradicate them first. Any middle ground will just bring you back to the same position you started in.
- you can also render them powerless without eradicating them
  
  All that does is give them time to regain the power.
  
  How

I've said it before elsewhere but it needs to be heard...
It's just wild to me continually seeing posts not understanding how this all works, and how it would play out. It's like the people who thought China paid the tariffs...
The house is almost tied. That's who passes bills, handles impeachments, some of the most powerful committees are, and who impeaches Presidents...
218 Republicans, 213 Democrats.
Let's see, take New York for example.
26 representatives total, 19 Democrat and 7 Republican.
5 of those were within 2 points last time their seat was up.
People who think that New York is blue, their vote doesn't matter, skips the votes for the House and Senate and end up losing a Blue house seat but later complain that nothing changes are literally the fucking problem.
Every. Fucking. State. Is. Like. This.
Apathetic morons who don't realize that the president is only held accountable by the other branch of government then wave their hands around when they did jack shit to help put people in place to, are the fucking problem.
District 3 of California was lost by 24,000 votes. District 22 was lost by 3,000.
Those two seats in the house, along with the close ones in New York, Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Washington, hell every state... Are what makes the House of Representatives or breaks it.
So, if you think that your vote for president doesn't matter, so you skip voting and let these other seats slip, yes, you're a fucking moron who can't grasp basic concepts of government that are taught in 4th grade.
And don't get me started on the State House/Senates, how they define voting laws and voting zones and engage in gerrymandering.
Every fucking vote counts.
And until the country realizes it, and starts acting on it, we'll keep getting the shit we deserve.
- Apathetic morons who don't realize that the president is only held accountable by the other branch of government
  Maybe this was a typo, but there are actually 3 branches of government, and we're already in a constitutional crisis between the first and third
  For retaking a chamber of congress to be significant in the fight against fascism it has to actually be functioning. If they were to impeach and convict (60 votes in the Senate and they currently only have 47), Trump could just say 'no' like he did to the SC. Even if they convicted and Trump didn't just say 'I ain't fucking leavin', a third of the country is still rabidly supportive of him. That'll impact who even can win seats in congress, and they would probably burn the national mall down this time
  Libs need to get past their inability to see how the system has completely fallen apart.
  History never ended, we should stop pretending like it did.
- Surely the way to fix this broken system is to participate in it harder
  
  When one of the flaws is that it's designed to only function as advertised if there's full participation, participating harder can make things less bad, and participating less can make things worse.
  Either way, it's much easier to convince people to go out and vote than it is to convince them to take up arms in a revolution, kill their opponents, and risk being killed or imprisoned as a consequence. If your revolutionary faction can't gather enough people to win an election, then it doesn't have enough support to win a civil war without getting the police and military on its side, and that's not going to happen in the US.
- Thank you for taking the time to type this out. I wish the people who needed to read and turn it over in their head were willing and able.
- It's time for reapportionment.
- Can we at least agree that the US's flawed first-past-the-post voting system is THE root cause of people having to vote for the lesser of two evils in the first place?

All the other bullshit aside, this isn't a hot take. This is the majority opinion on lemmy.
- Outside the .world subs, sure. But .world subs during election time banned hundreds, if not thousands of accounts for daring to question why a far right cop is taking over for a far right senile racist in the party that is mostly supposed to represent anti cop and anti racist vaguely left wing sentiment.
  If you weren't on the blue no matter who train, you were a Russian CCP maga troll farm bot clearly paid to ruin the US.
  
  The Dems are in no way "supposed to" support anti-cop sentiment. Their base is increasingly anti-cop, but the party platform and leadership are 100% pro-cop and pretty much always have been.

I am not an extreme leftist, as I hate gun control laws.
I don't know shit about the Middle East and don't want to know.
I think peaceful protests are a thing of the past. It's time for hateful protests. MAGA are the fucking enemy, and we are an occupied nation ... act like it. Sabotage MAGA effirts, disrupt them, infiltrate their echo chamber, but most importantly hurt them financially and make them cry like Elon Musk.
You can't topple Trump, he got elected ... it's done. These udiots need to stop issuing court orders on him, it wont do anything. Go after his street level goons and work up. Follow ICE around ... they get nervous when you do that. Why? They are just glorified TSA agents.
We will not vote our way out of this. Someone is eventually going to get brave and take 47 down... legally (of course).
- Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary
  -Karl Marx
- I am not an extreme leftist, as I hate gun control laws.
  If you go far left enough, you get your guns back.

Remember that foreign agitators, above any political slant, would prefer that the US be unstable and collapsing upon itself. They will play any and conflicting sides to this end. I have to remember that every time a 1-week old account claiming to be a Brit or Canadian tries shaming Americans into buying a rifle and shooting federal agents right fucking now.

Buy a gun safe.
Put books in it.

On the other hand, Portugal.
- I'm not familiar with the history of Porgual. Can you explain why that's relevant to this? or possibly link to something that would help explain?
  
  Sure! I mean, I don't know much about it either but I found that bit of history endearing and inspiring:
  https://www.thecollector.com/what-was-carnation-revolution/

Honestly, I undefstand why he might have wanted to kill that CEO, but he is still a murderer, so the last thing that anyone should do is to support him and his murder. This betrays a lack of morality.
- I fully agree that whoever murdered that CEO should be charged and face trial by jury.
  That being said, if I was on the jury, based on my current knowledge and understanding, I would not be able to recommend a guilty verdict.
  If we are going to live within the framework we've built, the system must have integrity and so he should face trial. But the system and framework was never meant to be apart from humanity, so the difficult nuances of human reality should be present in the verdict.
  
  The way I see it, is that the jury should determine guilt, regardless of the punishment, which is determined by the law. So I would say he is guilty.
  Murder is a grave crime, and while it is possible to rationalise it using radical ideologies and it seems to me that Luigi was personally affected by the healthcare system, but this changes nothing.
  When someone commits murder, kills another human being, he loses a part of their humanity in a way. Turns away from his morality, from his soul. This is what "crime and punishment" is about, I certainly reccomend the novel. No rationalisations will compensate for the horror that is a murder of a fellow human being.
  And the people that treat him like a hero are doing him a disservice. How is he supposed to understand the gravity of his moral offence and regret it if he is lauded for it? I feel nothing but pity for the man.
- It's not murder if you're defending someone, this was a defense of countless against a mass murderer who planned to continue killing without remorse
  
  I am glad communists have started to feel so strongly about mass murder, but this man hardly was the sole reason his healthcare company chose this policy, and as far as I understand other companies did similar things. You are blaming an individual for institutional issues. While he is, obviously, evil, he is not, clearly, the cause of these policies. If he was not willing to implement them he would be removed.
  But this is hardly relevant, this is, from a legal standpoint, murder, and thank God it is, since no sensible person would want to live in a society where someone can just murder anyone because of ideological convictions and political goals.
  But from a moral standpoint this is, of course, still murder. We denounce the use of the capital punishment on the most horrible criminals, but when a CEO is murdered on the street, without trial, suddenly death is perfectly fine as a punishment. This is not self defense. This is not "defense" of anything. This is murder. And Luigi is a criminal, and I hope he realises the gravity of what he has done.

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