Are TERF-centric magazines allowed on this insurance?

No, fascists (which TERFs are) should not be allowed to fester here.

- One is in a cult and engages in fascism apologia, another is a christian dominionist.
  About who you'd expect.
no have no idea what fascists are and just use it as a scare word to attack people you disagree with - grow up.
- So you're saying Helen Joyce's claim transgender identity is a plot by Jewish billionaires is just her being a concerned citizen asking questions?
  That's a strange side to be defending, friend who made their account yesterday.

The magazine's rule #1: NO BIGOTRY omfg I can't 🤣🤣🤣🤣

"No bigotry against US! TERF is a slur even though we coined it!" Is what they really mean.

@ernest You should look into that, how is it allowed?

I've already sent him a PM about that user & magazine a while ago. Still waiting and hoping to hear / see something.
Edit: I also think this is kinda disappointing. Kbin immediately defederated from nsfwlemmy over some bullshit allegations that weren't even true. Meanwhile this and other examples of toxicity remain to fester directly on this instance.
- I sent him one a few months ago, and it was gone within a few hours. I think he cares, but is swamped and probably gets a ton of BS.
  It needs to be acted on though. We don't want this to become a nazi bar. I hope he can figure out a way to share the load sometime soon.
- Agree, I don't like defederating, why defederate from instance if you can just block it (There on kbin)

Ugh, and 10A somehow also hasn't been banned yet (and a quick check to his profile shows that he isn't just still making bad-faith arguments about "free speech" but is also still spreading xenophobia, fake news about the last election, and so on).

I'm out. Anyone know of a kbin (not lemmy) instance with reasonably good moderation?

Our main problem is that the kbin software doesn't yet support having multiple admins on an instance. Ernest isn't really able to handle both improving the code and doing instance-wide moderation, so the latter is neglected.
Your best bet for now would be a smaller instance with an active admin, though the overall problem will persist until the right features get added to the software.
- This makes me wonder if adding some temporary restrictions to creating magazines here (based on account age or activity?) would be worth it to potentially help slow down ones like this being made (and to help slow down magazine squatting?).
He actually downvoted this thread. lol
- And my comment. In a private window I can see that he replied to my comment as well, despite the fact that I blocked him, so blocks are still not working properly apparently.
- Yes, because I support free speech, a foundational value of western civilization.
There are not a lot of Kbin instances yet, so it's hard to say at a glance whether an instance has actually good moderation or if it just doesn't have enough users to cause trouble to begin with.
Edit: I found a more expansive list of instances and fedi196.gay seems like a good one
- IIRC don't think there's even way to export data if you want to move instances either . Hope it all gets resolved sooner than later
- I'm not expecting perfection, but there hasn't even been visible commitment to a strong moderation policy. ernst has as far as I can tell remained mostly silent on the matter, occasionally deflecting to "tools aren't ready yet", but also not really committing to what he wants to be done with the tools.
  10A is a particularly prolific problematic user, and as a single user (unlike the flood of porn spam) it's a simple matter to ban him. It should not have been a hard decision to make by now.
  Personally, a bit over a month ago, I defined banning 10A (as well as one other individual) as the canary that would let me consider recommending other people come here. I was willing to give it some time, but it hasn't happened yet. Whether this is an explicit policy of weak moderation, or simply an accidental one thanks to putting it at too low a priority, I don't know. But I don't particularly want to be on a site that I don't feel comfortable recommending other people use. So I'm taking my own (lack of) recommendation for now and going to take a long break from this site.
BeeHaw looked promising up until a few days ago when this happened:
https://beehaw.org/comment/819474
and the response from the other admins was a lack luster too.
https://beehaw.org/comment/848740
Like how hard would it be to say that the admin's behavior was unacceptable and it will be discussed internally. It seems clear to me (and most other posters there) that it was a one sided issue.
I'm not really sure where is good. It was nice to see some non-admins speaking up about it, but seeing the other admins circling the wagons when one of them is clearly in the wrong makes me weary of doing any more than lurking. 10A wouldn't last 5 minutes there, but you have to worry about being berated if you're not as far left as the admins even if you're respectful.
This comment is libel against me. I am not xenophobic, and I do not spread fake news (to the best of my knowledge).

I tried to report this magazine using the "contact" page a while back as it violates the kbin.social terms of service, but I guess as long as it's only one nutjob posting and all the posts are getting disliked, it isn't really a priority to remove.

Best not to let it fester
- Seriously. The dozen or so people subbed there are people I would prefer not find safe haven on Kbin
- I also definitely feel like it's best to take more decisive action against hateful magazines, but I'm just assuming that this is @ernest's logic: That people can block or clown on bigots until the bigots feel unwelcome, grow bored at the lack of an audience, and leave.
  I've personally been thinking of migrating to Blåhaj Lemmy because of the inadequate moderation against hateful magazines on this instance, but I'm waiting to see how kbin.social's administration approach goes long-term. I think it would definitely be worthwhile for Ernest to invest in a bigger admin team and a more democratic approach to administration.

I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall fight to the death to defend your right to say it.

When you ban people, you tell them to go form an echo chamber where they'll flourish.

A more intelligent approach is to imitate Daryl Davis, who has convinced hundreds of KKK members to leave the KKK, simply by respectfully talking with them.

You might actually learn a thing or two in the process.

For every Daryl Davis who can successfully talk down 100 Klansmen, you'll find 100 Black people begging for their lives trying to reason with the Klan in their last moments. For every thought of "I can fix them!" that you may have, you have to weigh that against how many more people you'll need to fix if you platform their ideas and treat them as something worth "respectfully debating".
Convincing people to leave hate groups is a great thing to do, but if respectful debate were effective on the large scale, and we have no shortage of people respectfully arguing that hate is a bad thing, why is the far right a bigger threat now than it was ten years ago? Do not tolerate the intolerant, do not debate the undebatable, do not respect the unrespectable.
- The "far right" is growing because the left keeps moving further left, and normal people realize they're now considered conservative.
  If you want an echo chamber, go on and kick me out. You reap what you sow.
You sound like you've never argued with fascists online.
They only exist in echo chambers, anyway, and do not debate in good faith. There is nothing similar to what Daryl Davis did except in the most superficial way possible. Go visit /r/conservative and you might actually learn a thing or two.
- Mate, it’s obvious they are the fascists online.
- I was active in r/Conservative, and here I'm the primary contributer to m/Conservative. Hi, nice to meet you. When I'm engaged in arguments involving the word "fascist", it's rarely me using that word (unless we're literally discussing Mussolini), and usually me who's called that for favoring levelheaded conservative principles. I enjoy mutually respectful debate, but I find most others prefer to fearfully call me a "fascist," downvote everything I've ever written, block me, and walk away feeling sanctimonious.
I have mixed feelings about this
On one hand, Daryl Davis is a hero, and his method actually works to de-radicalize people. I prefer using this method when I encounter bigots irl.
On the other hand, allowing bigoted speech in your online platform has the potential to drive away normal folks and turn your platform into the echo-chamber where bigotry flourishes that you mentioned. This is basically what happened to Voat.
I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall fight to the death to defend your right to say it.
I agree with this, but it's beside the point. This isn't a public space like a street corner, it's a managed public/private space like a bar, where the bouncer will kick you out for abusing other patrons.
- A group of patrons sitting at a table in a bar, quietly discussing their TERF perspective, is entirely different from one of them walking up to a trans table and picking a fight. The former is an exercise of free speech, whereas the latter is cause for ejection.
If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.
- That misunderstanding is why echo chambers grow. Your fear of being perceived as a Nazi only reveals that you're overly concerned what other people think of you, which strongly suggests that you're young and naive. As you grow up, you'll stop caring what others think of you (hopefully you will — no everyone does), and you'll learn to respectfully engage in conversation with people of divergent viewpoints (even if they happen to believe their personal level of melanin justifies their superiority complex).
- You're confusing that "Voltaire" quote (which wasn't actually said by him) with the American First Amendment.
  The American First Amendment is predicated on America's cultural basis in the principle of free speech, which is embodied by the quote. The American First Amendment indeed applies only to government, restricting its overreach. But the principle of free speech is one of the core principles of American culture. It goes far deeper than the First Amendment.
  If you don't want to debate with them then don't subscribe to their magazine, and leave them alone.
Are you a transgender person?
You just seem so smart and intelligent regarding how a marginalized group should defend itself against attacks on its existence, I was just wondering if—and I know this is ludicrous to even conceive—you turned out to be full of shit, would you bear the consequences of being wrong about how trans people should deal with people who want to murder them or will you be fine regardless?
- It's not at all ludicrous to conceive that I may be wrong on any topic. I enjoy learning something new when I'm disproven. It's not easy to convince me (or anyone else for that matter) that I'm wrong, but I'm generally open to the possibility.

The magazine name is Modern Misogyny and rule 1 is "No bigotry - misogyny...".
That is like dividing by zero.

Right now, it appears to exist only with one user posting to himself. It is not a big problem. However, if you don't clean these things up quickly, you end up with a Nazi bar. Voat started out very Libertarian, but by the time it closed, its front page was dominated by hard-core antisemitism, it literally became a Nazi hang-out. Tolerance of intolerance ends up allowing the intolerance to spread and become the majority. kbin.social can not end up like that.

Im a former right wing libertarian. The kind of libertarian that voat was. I left because I looked around the libertarian communities I was in and realized I was the only one there who wasn't anti semitic. You say it started libertarian and became Nazi. Right wing libertarianism IS nazism. They took the good ideas of real libertarianism (left libertarian, anarchism) and layered on shitty capitalism and other fucked up beliefs such as antisemitism and racism. Voat didn't become Nazi it was always Nazi. Founded because groups like fatpeoplehate and other fucked up subs got banned.

How does one report a magazine and/or a user? I presume reporting posts in that magazine will just go to the bigoted owner, so no help there.

I don't want to just block them, I want to know when they're pushing their bigotry somewhere.

Apparently, almost everything (within the law) is allowed until it generates enough controversy to annoy the admin, in which case it is banned regardless of whether it violated the code of conduct or not.

Well, it violates the Kbin terms of service. Therefore it is being bright to the attention of admin.
"We expect all users to treat each other with respect and kindness. Harassment, hate speech, or any other form of harmful behavior will not be tolerated. We reserve the right to remove any content or user that violates these guidelines."
So basically, Reddit.