Do you actually audit open source projects you download?

All I do is look into the open issues, the community, docs etc. I don't remember auditing the code.

Yes, but with an explanation.

You don't necessarily need coding skills to "audit", you can get q sense of the general state of things by simply reading the docs.

The docs are a good starting point to understand if there will be any issues from weird licensing, whether the author cares enough to keep the project going, etc. Also serious, repeated or chronic issues should be noted in the docs if its something the author cares about.

And remember, even if you do have a background in the coding language, the project might not be built in a style you like or agree with.

I'm pretty proficient at bash scripting, and I found the proxmox helper scripts a spaghetti mess of interdependent scripts that were simply a nightmare to follow for any particular install.

I think the overall message is do your best within your abilities.

I look whether if someone has audited the code or not & even then I simply find Libre stuff trustworthy anyways

Let me put it this way: I audit open source software more than I audit closed source software.

If it's a project with a couple hundred thousands of downloads a week then no, i trust that it's been looked at by more savvy people than myself.

If it's a niche project that barely anyone uses or comes from a source i consider to be less reputable then i will skim it

For personal use? I never do anything that would qualify as "auditing" the code. I might glance at it, but mostly out of curiosity. If I'm contributing then I'll get to know the code as much as is needed for the thing I'm contributing, but still far from a proper audit. I think the idea that the open-source community is keeping a close eye on each other's code is a bit of a myth. No one has the time, unless someone has the money to pay for an audit.

I don't know whether corporations audit the open-source code they use, but in my experience it would be pretty hard to convince the typical executive that this is something worth investing in, like cybersecurity in general. They'd rather wait until disaster strikes then pay more.

Nah. My security is entirely based on vibes and gambling

Depends on what you mean by "audit".

I look at the GitHub repo.

• How many stars?
• Last commit?
• Open issues
• Contributer count

Do I read the whole code base? Of course not. But this is way more than I can do with closed source software.

I know lemmy hates AI but auditing open source code seems like something it could be pretty good at. Maybe that's something that may start happening more.

I don't audit the code, but I do somewhat audit the project. I look at:

• recent commits
• variety of contributors
• engagement in issues and pull requests by maintainers

I think that catches the worst issues, but it's far from an audit, which would require digging through the code and looking for code smells.

I generally look over the project repo and site to see if there's any flags raised like those I talk about here.

Upon that, I glance over the codebase, check it's maintained and will look for certain signs like tests and (for apps with a web UI) the main template files used for things like if care has been taken not to include random analytics or external files by default. I'll get a feel for the quality of the code and maintenance during this. I generally wouldn't do a full audit or anything though. With modern software it's hard to fully track and understand a project, especially when it'll rely on many other dependencies. There's always an element of trust, and that's the case regardless of being FOSS or not. It's just that FOSS provides more opportunities for folks to see the code when needed/desired.

It's not feasible. A project can have 10s or 100s of thousand lines of code and it takes months to really understand what's going on. Sometimes you need domain specific knowledge.

I read through those installers that do a curl gitbub... | bash. Otherwise I do what amounts to a "vibe check". How many forks and stars does it have? How many contributors? What is the release cycle like?

no... I do just blindly trust the code.

I do not. But then again, I don’t audit the code of the closed source software I use either.

Of course I do bro, who doesnt have 6 thousand years of spare time every time they run dnf update to go check on 1 million lines of code changed? Amateurs around here..

I trust the community, but not blindly. I trust those who have a proven track record, and I proxy that trust through them whenever possible. I trust the standards and quality of the Debian organization and by extension I trust the packages they maintain and curate. If I have to install something from source that is outside a major distribution then my trust might be reduced. I might do some cursory research on the history of the project and the people behind it, I might look closer at the code. Or I might not. A lot of software doesn't require much trust. A web app running in its own limited user on a well-secured and up-to-date VPS or VM, in the unlikely event it turned out to be a malicious backdoor, it is simply an annoyance and it will be purged. In its own limited user, there's not that much it can do and it can't really hide. If I'm off the beaten track in something that requires a bit more trust, something security related, or something that I'm going to run it as root, or it's going to be running as a core part of my network, I'll go further. Maybe I "audit" in the sense that I check the bug tracker and for CVEs to understand how seriously they take potential security issues.

Yeah if that malicious software I ran that I didn't think required a lot of trust, happens to have snuck in a way to use a bunch of 0-day exploits and gets root access and gets into the rest of my network and starts injecting itself into my hardware persistently then I'm going to have a really bad day probably followed by a really bad year. That's a given. It's a risk that is always present, I'm a single guy homelabbing a bunch of fun stuff, I'm no match for a sophisticated and likely targeted nation-state level attack, and I'm never going to be. If On the other hand if I get hacked and ransomwared along with 10,000 other people from some compromised project that I trusted a little too much at least I'll consider myself in good company, give the hackers credit where credit is due, and I'll try to learn from the experience. But I will say they'd better be really sneaky, do their attack quickly and it had better be very sophisticated, because I'm not stupid either and I do pay pretty close attention to changes to my network and to any new software I'm running in particular.

I'm unlikely to do a full code audit, unless something about it doesn't pass the 'sniff test'. I will often go over the main code flows, the issue tracker, mailing lists and comments, positive or negative, from users on other forums.

I mean, if you're not doing that, what are you doing, just installing it and using it??!? Where's the fun in that? (I mean this at least semi seriously, you learn a lot about the software you're running if you put in some effort to learn about it)

depends like for known projecte like curl i wont because i know its fine but if its a new project i heard about i do audit the source and if i dont know the lang its in i ask someone that does

I rely on Debian repo maintainers to do this for me

Yes. It's important to verify the dependencies and perform audits like automated scans on the source code and packages from repositories like PyPi and npm. Which is done on my day job.

Also before mirroring data, I look at the source code level if I see anything suspicious. Like phoning home or for example obfuscated code. Or other red flags.

Even at home, working on 'hobby projects', I might not have the advantage of the advance scanning source code tools, but I'm still suspicious, since I know there is also a lot of sh*t out there.

Even for home projects I limit the amount of packages I use. I tent to only use large (in terms of users), proven (lot of stars and already out for a long time) and well maintained packages (regular security updates, etc.). Then again, without any advance code scanning tool it's impossible to fully scan it all. Since you still have dependencies on dependencies with dependencies that might have a vurnability. Or even things as simple as openssl heartbleed bug or repository take overs by evil maintainers. It's inevitable, but you can take precautions.

Tldr: I try my best with the tools I have. I can't do more then that. Simple and small projects in C is easier to audit then for example a huge framework or packages with tons of new dependencies. Especially in languages like Python, Go and Javascript/typescript. You have been warned.

Edit: this also means you will need to update your packages often. Not only on your distro. But also when using these packages with npm and PyPi, go or php composer. Just writing your code once and deploy is not sufficient anymore. The chances you are using some packages that are vulnerable is very high and you will need to regularly update your packages. I think updating is just as important as auditing.

Nope! Not at all. I don't think I could find anything even if I tried. I do generally trust OS more than other apps but I feel like I'm taking a risk either way. If it's some niche thing I'm building from a git repo I'll be wary enough to not put my credit card info but that's about it

If I can read it in around an afternoon, and it’s not a big enough project that I can safely assume many other people have already done so, then I will !

But I don’t think it qualifies as “auditing”, for now I only have a bachelor’s in CS and I don’t know as much as I’d like about cybersecurity yet.

I don't have the know how to do so, so I go off of what others have said about it. It's at-least got a better chance of being safe than closed source software where people are FULLY guessing at if its safe or not, rather than what we have with at-least 1 person having poured over it that doesn't have ties to the creator.

I do not, but I sleep soundly knowing there are people that do, and that FOSS lets them do it. I will read code on occasion, if I'm curious about technical solutions or whatnot, but that hardly qualifies as auditing.

No, so I only use well known widely used open source programs. If I'm doing a code review I'm getting paid to do it.

I run projects inside Docker on a VM away from important data. It allows me to test and restrict access to specific things of my choosing.

It works well for me.

I do not audit code line by line, bit by bit. However, I do due diligence in making sure that the code is from reputable sources, see what other users report, I'll do a search for any unresolved issues et al. I can code on a very basic level, but I do not possess the intelligence to audit a particular app's code. Beyond my 'due diligence' I rely on the generosity of others who are more intelligent than I and who can spot problems. I have a lot of respect and admiration for dev teams. They produce software that is useful, fun, engaging, and it just works.

some yes, I'm currently using hyde for hyprland and I've been tinkering with almost every script that holds the project together

Lol. I download a library or program to do a task because I would not be able to code it myself (to that kind of production level, at least). Of course I'm not gonna be able to audit it! You need twice the IQ to debug a software compared to the one needed to even write it in the first place.

Generally, no. On some cases where I'm extending the code or compiling it for some special case that I have, I will read the code. For example, I modified a web project to use LDAP instead of a local user file. In that case, I had to read the code to understand it. In cases where I'm recompiling the code, my pipeline will run some basic vulnerability scans automatically.

I would not consider either of these a comprehensive audit, but it's something.

Additionally, on any of my server deployments, I have firewall rules which would catch "calls to home". I've seen a few apps calling home, getting blocked but no adverse effects. The only one I can remember is Traefik, which I flipped a config value to not do that.

no. ive skimmed through maybe 2 things overall but thats about it. i use too many apps to be able to audit them all and i dont have the proper skills to audit code anyway, and even if i did i would still have to re-audit after every update or every few years. its just not worth the effort

youre taking a chance whether you use closed or open source software, at least with open source there is the option to look through things yourself, and with a popular project theres going to be a bigger chance of others looking through it

About as much as I trust other drivers on the road.

As in I give it the benefit of the doubt but if something seems off I take precautions while monitoring and if it seems dangerous I do my best to avoid it.

In reality it means that I rarely check it but if anything seems off I remove it and if I have the time and energy I further check the actual code.

My general approach is minimalism, so I don't use that many unknown/small projects to begin with.

I vet lesser known projects, but yea I do end up just taking credibility for granted for larger projects. I assume that with those projects, the maintainers team with pull access is doing that vetting before they accept a pull.

I do sometimes, when I know the tech stack. (I wonder if GitHub Copilot could help in other situations?)

For example, I've been learning more about FreshRSS and Wallabag (especially now that Pocket is shutting down).

In any case, with open source, I trust that someone looks at it.

I implicitly trust FOSS more than closed source but because that trust has been earned through millions of FOSS projects.

On occasion, I will dive deep into a codebase especially if I have a bug and I think I can fix it.

You can't do this with closed source or even source available code because there is no guarantee that the code you have is the code that's been compiled.

nope.

If it looks sketchy I'll look at it and not trust the binaries. I'm not going to catch anything subtle, but if it sets up a reverse shell, I can notice that shit.

Having gone through the approval process at a large company to add an open source project to it's whitelist, it was surprisingly easy. They mostly wanted to know numbers. How long has it been around, when was the last update, number of downloads, what does it do, etc. They mostly just wanted to make sure it was still being maintained.

In their eyes, they also don't audit closed source software. There might also have been an antivirus scan run against the code, but that seemed more like a checkbox than something that would actually help.

Nah not really...most of the time I'm at least doing a light metadata check, like who's the maintainer & main contributors, any trusted folks have starred the repo, how active is development and release frequency, search issues with "vulnerability"/"cve" see how contributors communicate on those, previous cve track record.

With real code audits... I could only ever be using a handful of programs, let alone the thought of me fully auditing the whole linux kernel before I trust it 😄

Focusing on "mission critical" apps feels pretty useless imho, because it doesn't really matter which of the thousands of programs on your system executes malicious code, no? Like sure, the app you use for handling super sensitive data might be secure and audited...then you get fucked by some obscure compression library silently loaded by a bunch of your programs.

I usually just look for CVEs. The biggest red flag is if there's 0 CVEs. The yellow flag is if the CVEs exist, but they don't have a prominent notice on their site about it.

Best case is they have a lot of CVEs, they have detailed notices on their sites that were published very shortly after the CVE was published, and they have an bug bounty program setup.

It depends on the provenance of the code and who (if anyone) is downstream.

A project that's packaged in multiple distros is more likely to be reliable than a project that only exists on github and provides its own binary builds.

Packaged products ready to use? No.
Libraries which I use in my own projects? I at least have a quick look at the implementation, often a more detailed analysis if issues pop up.

No, I pretty much only look at the number of contributors (more is better)

I don’t know enough about programming to do it myself so I like to look at what the community says. This is one thing we’re AI could be very helpful no?

Depends on how the project and how long they have been around.

Full code audit is very time consuming. It's impossible to audit all software someone uses. However if I know nothing about project, I do a short look at the code to understand if it follows best practices or not and make some assumptions about the code quality. The problem is that I can't do this if I'm unfamiliar with the programming language the project is written in, so in most cases I try to avoid such projects.

Well my husband’s work place does audit the code they deploy but they have a big problem with contractors just downloading random shit and putting it on production systems without following proper review and in violation of policy.

The phrase fucking Deloitte is a daily occurrence.

I don't because I don't have the necessary depth of skill.

But I don't say I "blindly" trust anyone who says they're FOSS. I read reviews, I do what I can to understand who is behind the project. I try to use software (FOSS or otherwise) in a way that minimizes impact to my system as a whole if something goes south. While I can't audit code meaningfully, I can setup unique credentials for everything and use good network management practices and other things to create firebreaks.