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Trump envoy says Russian concern over NATO enlargement is fair

U.S. President Donald Trump's envoy to Ukraine, Keith Kellogg, said Russia's concern over the eastward enlargement of NATO was fair and the United States did not want to see Ukraine in the U.S.-led military alliance.

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How about we stop listening to what the USA has to say. At least for now.
- You listen knowing they will always lie/spin the truth, because from the spin and lies and with knowledge of the liar (what benefits and doesn't benefit) you can get to the truth. There's no point in passive listening unless you wanna be a propaganda parrot, lol.

Someone should explain to him why NATO exists. Then point to his own “truths” calling Putin “crazy*.”
Not crazy, just an authoritarian doing what everyone who isn’t fanboying over him has known he’s wanted to do since forever because he’s said he wants to do it on multiple occasions: reunite the SSRs, through force if necessary. Maybe if Russia, with their history of staying in/prolonging/winning(?) wars by feeding really stupid numbers of people into the meat grinder (see also: current conflict in Ukraine), and a maddeningly growing number of other countries, wasn’t a threat to democracy in Europe, we wouldn’t need NATO. Crazy, I know.
- Someone should explain to him why NATO exists.
  it used to be because of the URSS existence, hard to tell why it still exists 34 years after it fell
  
  Because regardless of the name of the country, Russians have always pursued Continential Imperialism?

How about we include Ukraine but throw out the US?
- I think this might satisfy all parties actually

"Russia's puppet says Russia is the real victim here"
eyeroll

But Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt said we "were in play" a little over a decade ago... were they both rogue agents?!
- in play to prevent a civil war

Ukraine war is the third proxy war IMO, after Vietnam and the Middle East. It was never about Ukraine, the Western world does not give a flying fuck about Ukraine specifically. It's just a power play like in the years of the cold war. Just that this time, Russia started it, instead of the US, so everybody is losing their minds over it.

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