Polish conservative Nawrocki wins presidential vote, electoral commission says
Polish conservative Nawrocki wins presidential vote, electoral commission says
Well, fuck
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Poland just never learns.
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Poland learned plenty. Record turnout, the candidate won by a very slim margin. It's brexit vote all over again - half the country is indoctrinated rednecks. A TV station had statistical data - voting for the right wing candidate was proportional with shittier education. People after universities voted 70% in favour of Trzaskowski. People who only finished grade school voted 70% in favour of Nawrocki. You can guess which group has more idiots in it.
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Neither does Russia
And in my country, we're expecting a Babiš-Fiala-Babiš PM situation akin to Trump-Biden-Trump in the US because of the post-Covid recession. At least Babiš didn't become president in 2023.
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How bad is this from an international perspective? Will there be Orban-style EU obstruction? Is he a Putin appeaser?
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The immidiate consequences are probably minor.
Yet Poland managed to finally get rid of PiS in government and just two years later they elect another right-wing populist president that will continue the sabotaging and blockading of said government.
So another 2 years of ineffective government (caused by the voters) it is. Probably followed by the narrative of how they really need to get the nationalists back into government as they are the only ones getting anything done (who cares that "anything" mainly means corruption and weakening democracy...).
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Nawrocki is anti Putin. The parliament is controlled by liberals, but having a far right president gives the far right veto power. That means the liberals have a hard time passing decent laws. It does not fully block Poland, but it slows everything down and more controversial laws will be vetoed. Controversial laws being everything the far right finds controversial, so a lot of them would be good from a leftist perspective. If PiS wins the next election Poland would move to an Orban style regime again. If the liberals had won, they would have been able to at least slow it down.
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There was already until the last parliament elections, where the pro European candidate Donald Tusk won over the PiS, who destructed the state orban style for 8 years. However real reforms were not possible until now, because the PiS president was blocking any law the government was pushing. Now, with these elections everyone hoped the blocking will have an end, but we were proved wrong. This will likely lead to new parliament elections and PiS will continue to destroy the state.
I think PiS is not Russia-friendly, it's a bit more complicated in Poland. But idk for sure to be honest.
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PiS isn't pro-Russia so much as it's anti-EU. They see Brussels the same way they see Moscow: as a sinister foreign power that wants to control Poland, and they see Poland as surrounded by the EU and Russia, with only the USA as a trustworthy ally keeping both in check.
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He has badmouthed Putin before so theres that at least.
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Poland’s always been pretty right-wing.
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Because politicians and media keep them so. Often polls would show that public is more progressive than the lawmakers (e.g. about abortion laws), but the ruling politicians will still say how Polish people are not ready for such 'radical changes' or just how 'wrong' that is...
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It really, really is suspicious that those right-wing MAGA Trump Putin guys are always winning on really narrow margins. I can't recall any election where the "good guy" won like that.
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Assassination on presidents tends to martyrize them
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Not necessarily in Poland, but only if they are leftists.
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Mama Mia!
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Eh, you win some, you lose some, just don't be much worse than Duda and everything'll be ok until the next election, no?
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We have far right governments in Poland, Italy, Sweden, Netherlands and some more center right governments in other EU member states. This is very bad for human rights and we should be worried by this trend.
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Yes, but this guy is not the head of government or and can't veto EU council decisions, like Orban can. He can block decisions of the new government to undo what PiS has done over the years. In fact, given Poland's history of right-wing presidents, it is the closest they've ever come to having a liberal president. :3 staying optimistic while we wait for the green left to get its act together in a pragmatic way (that has something to offer rural and working families over fascist vibes and neoliberal status-quo (looking at you, France))
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I can't answer definitively for the other countries, but the Netherlands has a far-right party in government, but it's not the government - that's a coalition together with three right-wing parties. Certainly not what left-wing folks like to see, but the other three are keeping the far-right one in check somewhat compared to winner-takes-all systems like in the US.
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Yeah... no. This guy will block what little good the government tries to do, blame it on immigrants, gays and the left and set the table for a rightwing victory come next election. This is bad.
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I wonder how long it would take Russia to take over Poland with Karol Nawrocki as president if the US pulls out of NATO and the rest of the EU and UK refuse to participate in the war. Will he capitulate the same day?
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Akshually, unlike in the West, the conservatives in Poland despise Russia with a passion. A conservative president in Poland isn't going to undermine NATO (but for the EU, it may).
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I see your newly elected president's fear of Russia. He should know better than anyone else (since he studied history) that for centuries Poland has been betrayed by its closest allies. And now, instead of cooperating with Ukraine, he is setting the Poles against Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians against the Poles (which, of course, benefits Russia). Hoping that the US will help defend Poland if Russians attack. But these are vain hopes - because as before, so now the US and the EU will betray Poland, you have the one and only friend, and it is Ukraine. Very soon you will see for yourself. Lets be clear peace negotiations are just a screen for a full-scale invasion in Poland
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I myself abstained this time (just voted both). Voting for Nawrocki would be against Poland and voting for Trzaskowski would be against my personal interest as an individual. There wasn't lesser evil this time and nothing would change regardless.
Edit: I want public healthcare — which neither candidates supports. Trzaskowskis party literally proposed to reduce the healthcare budget by 20bln like a month ago
I want marriage equality — which neither candidate supports. Trzaskowski is said to be in favour but he never said it straigh up and he vocally opposes same-sex adoption.
I want affordable housing — which neither candidate supports. Both parties similarly had their housing programmes which caused the market prices to soar and opposed public housing.
I want ecology — both candidates oppose nuclear power and Trzaskowskis party literally cut public forestry budget and increased the deforestation rate
I want the church to shut up and stop stealing public money — Trzaskowskis party, despite being called "anticlerical" gave the 20% increase of the Church Budget in 2025. Their original promise was to reduce it to 0.
I want a reasonable migration policy — both candidates' parties use migrants as scapegoats and support limiting asylum laws.
I want access to abortion — which Nawrocki opposes; Trzaskowski himself supports it, but some of his party and majority of his coalition doesn't and will never vote for it
Both candidates are shit in their own way
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I know the US fucked up big time in our last election, but the least I hoped for was for the rest of the world to learn from our fuck-up. It's disappointing to see other countries following in our dumbass footsteps.
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The mistake the US did isn't the failure of voting for the lesser evil. I mean it was a mistake but even if you avoided that and saved the center for another four years, the center would have impoverished people further over those four years and would have fallen into the right even harder afterwards. The real failure that's driving all of this is letting the system get usurped by corporations and oligarchs which then never presents any choices that stop the wealth transfer from the majority to the top. Instead its always faster transfer or slower transfer. The center is unsustainable and it is very likely falling through around the world. If not now, then over the next little while. Until a non-neoliberal left takes over and unfucks the system like it did the last time around post the Great Depression.
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if you dont explain your "personal interests", we assume you are just an idiot
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I want public healthcare — which neither candidates supports. Trzaskowskis party literally proposed to reduce the healthcare budget by 20bln like a month ago
I want marriage equality — which neither candidate supports. Trzaskowski is said to be in favour but he never said it straigh up and he vocally opposes same-sex adoption.
I want affordable housing — which neither candidate supports. Both parties similarly had their housing programmes which caused the market prices to soar and opposed public housing.
I want ecology — both candidates oppose nuclear power and Trzaskowskis party literally cut public forestry budget and increased the deforestation rate
I want the church to shut up and stop stealing public money — Trzaskowskis party, despite being called "anticlerical" gave the 20% increase of the Church Budget in 2025. Their original promise was to reduce it to 0.
I want a reasonable migration policy — both candidates' parties use migrants as scapegoats and support limiting asylum laws.
I want access to abortion — which Nawrocki opposes; Trzaskowski himself supports it, but some of his party and majority of his coalition doesn't and will never vote for it
Both candidates are shit in their own way
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Out of interest, what personal interests would the other candidate have been against? I'm genuinely interested and I'd rather ask you than just downvote like others have done that probably have no idea about either candidate.
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I want public healthcare — which neither candidates supports. Trzaskowskis party literally proposed to reduce the healthcare budget by 20bln like a month ago
I want marriage equality — which neither candidate supports. Trzaskowski is said to be in favour but he never said it straigh up and he vocally opposes same-sex adoption.
I want affordable housing — which neither candidate supports. Both parties similarly had their housing programmes which caused the market prices to soar and opposed public housing.
I want ecology — both candidates oppose nuclear power and Trzaskowskis party literally cut public forestry budget and increased the deforestation rate
I want the church to shut up and stop stealing public money — Trzaskowskis party, despite being called "anticlerical" gave the 20% increase of the Church Budget in 2025. Their original promise was to reduce it to 0.
I want a reasonable migration policy — both candidates' parties use migrants as scapegoats and support limiting asylum laws.
I want access to abortion — which Nawrocki opposes; Trzaskowski himself supports it, but some of his party and majority of his coalition doesn't and will never vote for it
Both candidates are shit in their own way
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The right keeps voting the right and thus making sure the candidates can get more right.
Meanwhile the left abstain, making sure the right is in power.
Gg.
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If my choice is right wing (which will empower the right wing government I don't support) or far right (which will fight the right wing government I don't support) then the choice is nonexistent
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Btw calling other people idiots will only create more tension between the two parties, so please try to be a little bit nicer. Thx
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Idiot bigot.
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See my edit
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