It's even infecting the wider lemmy network!

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the west will never forgive China for liberating themselves, it is a dangerous precedent that should be chastised at all costs.

Ah its nice to see lemmy grow. Now we can have fedderated senseless screaming matches just like the big social networks.

For all the orientalists below:
- If that' supposed to be funny, I don't get it.
  
  The meme assumes the Western context. We don't trust the US government because of the centuries of violence and exploitation. We had to go looking for that information because it is minimized and buried at every turn by the compliant national media.
  On the other hand, the supposed abuses of the Chinese government are loudly broadcast at every turn. You'll find if you go looking outside of Western sanctioned sources that all of those criticisms are absurd fabrications.
  Therefore, someone in the western context who says they don't trust the US or China is trusting the US media for information about China but not about the US itself. Does that help?
  
  He’s saying anyone that claims to not trust the West nor China only distrusts China because they were propagandized by western news sources.
  I don’t find that particularly compelling because I think assuming someone’s information diet and discarding it in order to invalidate their view is lazy. I’ll leave it at that so I don’t get put in timeout.

China bad. US bad. Russia bad.
All three can be true at the same time. (And they are)
- If only there were other countries that said bad things about China lol
  
  Bold of you to assume I am American, did you not check the instance I am from ?
  Yes, there are many lies about China, but don't get stuck in second opinion syndrome. China is both worse and better than you know.
  The fact the government lies about China, while China is still bad behind the scenes, can both be true. During the cold war, both sides accused the other of being evil, and both were right.
  Don't let anyone who puts a "communist" sticker on their own forehead fool you into supporting them.
  
  This is why people won't support lemmy lmao.
  You know there are other sources for China's ills than American news media right?
- Don't forget, most of the countries in Europe bad also. Oh, and Japan very bad at times.
  
  Maybe humans bad?
- "The US is bad, but I believe everything it says about its enemies without question"
  
  It doesn't matter who said it. There isn't a company or a government that is your "friend". They're all out to squeeze you
- Exactly. That is what bothers me about most anti Americans here in Europe. The US absolutely did many terrible things, but that does not automatically mean that the Russians are the good ones. They did many terrible things too.
  
  Historically, Western Europe has been just as bad as the US, especially France, Germany, and the UK. Russia hasn't been as bad historically, especially not when they were Socialist, when they were inarguably one of the most progressive countries in the world.
  
  No one has ever said they were, it's just a lazy strawman westerners use so they never have to justify always treating their countries as the good guys.
  
  Where do all the ads come from? Usa. Thats why i'm a usa hater.

wow this one rustled some jimmies

It is nice to see the western propaganda machine start to fail. I never thought I'd see the general public recognize Israel is a genocidal settler apartheid state until the last couple years, even though the propaganda machine has been working overtime for it. Hopefully other areas in propaganda start to crumble as well.
- Born to early to explore the cosmos, too late to explore the world, but just in time to see the fall of the US empire propaganda machine 😁
  
  Nah, we'll be able to explore the cosmos my friend.

the wasp nest has really come out in the comments here 🤣
- they come with pitchforks out whenever china is framed remotively positive, straight up reinforces the meme lol
- hah! you aint' kiddin, focused on real-life stuff for a bit and came back to a 40+ inbox 😁 😆
- Usians don't like being told that their stolen land nation started by slave owners who then held a "freedom revolution" so these oligarchs to have to pay taxes while tge rest of their population does, isn't such a great place after all.

The myth of China’s ghost cities
The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing terrorist cells in Xinjiang, and once those efforts failed, it concocted and promoted a genocide narrative.
Does Viral 'Sun Bear' Video Actually Show a Person in a Bear Costume? (tl;dr: No.)

Noooo my heckin wholesome Lemmy propaganda don't you dare have any other opinion than USA#1 here or else me and my liberal friends will call your love of gross, dirty and smelly foreigners and make homophobic jokes about you having sex with Putin
- Dont forget the racist sinophobic "jokes"
  
  Isn't that the average uncle Roger video?

I heard China sucks

Everybody Sucks Here
- Only the right-wing neolibs of world and their ilk, I find the users of ml and hexbear to be quite nice
  
  I was referencing nation states in general, not a subsection of the working class. Don't get me wrong, rightoids are unbearable. I wish I could vacate this planet and leave them to play their shitty reindeer games with each other.
  These institutions (nation states) garner a level of devotion much like religion, regardless of their ideology. Tribalism.
  Nation states path to power is the capability to muster greater standing armies then other more decentralized ways of life. That is why the working class is so heavily divided through these imaginary lines on the globe.

The face reminded me of the style of the face pictures for Psycho Patrol R. I doubt that any one picture is exactly the same, but the style is similar enough to remind me. https://shared.fastly.steamstatic.com/store_item_assets/steam/apps/1907590/ss_97de425d644d8a91b36a76e87a82ad9b647c95bc.600x338.jpg https://store.steampowered.com/app/1907590/Psycho_Patrol_R/

ITT: people saying "the US and China both seem bad" and being told that they obviously just want to kiss America square on the lips because China has never done anything bad ever
- Lazy strawman

Wasn't the great leap forward by Mao the biggest mass murder in world history, according to historians not governments?
Doesn't whitewashing that amount to Holocaust denial level cultural blindness?
I know nothing, quick Google search.
- I know nothing, quick Google search.
  lol we know, you don't have to tell us.
- In short, no, that was cold war propaganda. These intro articles get into some of the details of the Mao era:
  Monster or Liberator? by Carlos Martinez
  How did Mao manage to kill ~78 million people? by Godfree Roberts
  The Long Game and Its Contradictions. Audiobook
  The Rise of the Chinese People's Communes by Anna Louise Strong
  
  I could find books that say the Nazis are great guys too. Doesn't make it right.
- Yeah lots of people died but the cultural revolution and Great Leap Forward but it has been over for 50 years now, meanwhile how many millions of people have had their lives ruined by US sanctions or wars in the last 70 years? Imperial countries export their misery so that people like you and me can live nice comfortable lives. Meanwhile we point at other countries who were deliberately impoverished for our benefit. When leaders in those countries try to take back their wealth they’re assassinated, when trade unionists try to organise to give the workers better rights they’re tortured and then assassinated. At least the Great Leap Forward only negatively impacted Chinese people, meanwhile you get to sit smugly on your computer or phone and eat your chocolate bar that was built or farmed with the blood of poor labourers in Africa and when those poor people try to rise up to better their conditions our governments and their fascist lackeys will be there in minutes killing them for you so you can keep getting cheap treats.
  Also do you really think there is no political repression in the west? I recently read the obituary of a guy who was in my local communist party who was denied work his whole life because he was an „unteachable communist“ being on the wrong side of the ruling classes ideology sucks no matter where you are.

ingests 'facts' and narratives from seemingly different sources that just happen to be financially backed/owned by the same small group of people
no logical filtering or processing takes place before regurgitating them
"I'm a free thinker who does their own research!"
- Meanwhile, the worlder preferred "bastions of journalism":
  
  Jeff Bezos, one of the richest men in the world today, known for employing folks that need to pee in bottles to comply with Amazon's inhuman procedures or face losing their jobs, buys The Washington Post
  "They will hold the truth and journalistic integrity in high regard, and I can certainly trust them to prioritise them before financial gain and anything that can be done to achieve it."
  I SWIM IN THE SEA OF THE UNCONSCIOUS
  
  I am sorry but since when is German left leaning public broadcast the same as fox news?! I understand that sometimes some topics are generally over- or underreported, but putting these next to each other is nonsensical.

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