Stack Overflow: 79% of Developers Considering A Career Move
Stack Overflow: 79% of Developers Considering A Career Move
A survey by Stack Overflow shows that both young and long-standing developers are increasingly thinking about changing employers. Whether they are newcomers to the field or seasoned veterans within the developer community, a substantial proportion of developers, as revealed in a survey condu...
Company loyalty is dead and the C-suites killed it.
Go fuck yourself, you don’t deserve worker loyalty
89you're meant to move jobs every few years, you can keep employees a few years longer with stock incentives or yearly raises but if there's no financial advantage to staying, why would I? Like if it's better in every single way to move, why stay?
11I mean if you have a super nice working environment (team etc.), I don't see an issue with staying at the company.
But yeah as you say, if the new company is better in every single way, of course you should move.
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For the first time in my career I'm actually not in this position. Found an employer that's an ex engineer and just "gets it". Good compensation, good benefits, and invests in all of our understanding and careers. Sucks seeing all the people just let go so I'm surprised this survey has this result.
Maybe it was conducted before this season of let gos.
42Looks like the survey was done this month (Oct 2023).
The recent let goes have been strongly over-publicized in a desperate effort to keep software developer salaries down.
The actual change in the unemployment rate of software developers was a fraction of a percentage.
It's easily the biggest shift in the employment rate of developers we've seen in at least a decade. But it also did almost nothing to relieve the actual backlog of unmet demand for developers.
"But why do we hear so many stories of developers having trouble finding jobs?"
I'm glad you asked. (Steps up in soap box.)
Because for the first time in forever the shitty employers who can't keep their developers feel like they have negotiating power, and they love the feeling, and are making a big show of it. Those assholes are posting the majority of the current available jobs, because folks like me don't need to hire right now.
I don't need to hire right now, because I give my team a pay bump when the developer market rate guess up. It went up this year. I bumped their pay to match. They still work for me. Who could possibly have predicted that would work? Everyone could have, except somehow asshat-mc-always-hiring.
Most of the employers gloatingly turning down less-than-ideal candidates are going to completely miss this opportunity to hire at all, and will go back to paying 3x consulting rates to smaller firms that charge them $300.00 per hour worked. And rightly so. They suck and deserve to pay extra for sucking.
Source: I often get to charge these clowns an arm and a leg simply because I can, and they cannot, recruit and retain developer talent. I do try to mentor them on the topic, because I simply don't have the time to find and charge them all the glorious money they deserve to get charged. But I'm only one person, and I can only write so many huge invoices to huge assholes.
My mentoring attempts aside, I have job security because the majority of them don't actually want to get any less stupid about the whole thing.
(End soap box)
38Curious how you're finding clients you can charge an arm and a leg. We sometimes get those, but mostly we get startups who are like "Our last consultants made a mess and we only have twelve thousand dollars left. Can you save us? We'll be putting a bunch of pressure on you because we're broke and desperate, and we're also super suspicious because we think the last guys ripped us off." I'm in a space where I'd prefer assholes who pay (and who I can fire if they're too dickish) over anxious founders on tight budgets.
5Makes a lot of sense honestly because it's hard to see the demand for "competent" I.T. workers evaporating unless it was b.s. work.
4Most of the employers gloatingly turning down less-than-ideal candidates are going to completely miss this opportunity to hire at all, and will go back to paying 3x consulting rates to smaller firms that charge them $300.00 per hour worked. And rightly so. They suck and deserve to pay extra for sucking.
Owning a consulting company, I'm both feeling good about the future (because these guys are gonna hire us) and also anxious (because I hate working for these guys).
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I'm in the same position finally! I actually left for a few months a year ago to chase a stupidly good offer, but ended up hating the culture and company. They welcomed me back with open arms after earnest well wishes for my journey when I left.
The contrast to so many tech jobs I've had is amazing, it really does show how a focus on the employees impacts quality of life. Everyone here is invested in making our team successful and it shows in the quality of work. It's interesting how not having to worry about politics or wondering how to cover your ass lets you focus on the product.
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Management: Doesn't matter, the competition is just as shitty to work for as we are. sips coffee
25Until the competition isn't as shitty and doubles the salary ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Super misleading title, I'm in a job where I couldn't imagine finding something better, but I'm also open to new offers. I think almost everyone is
16Yeah 79% is actually a rather low number given that this is the "default" state
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You can always find a new shitshow
15You can always find a new shitshow
Having to deal with different volumes and types of shit can be a very welcomed move. Perfect is the enemy of good.
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IMO it just says which and why people hang out on SO.
12What do you mean? Not being open to new opportunities is only harming yourself.
1Being open to new opportunities and being dissatisfied with you job are different things. I've mainly meant that these statistics are biased. Hypothesis is that people not interested in doing their work hang out on SO instead, as a result a lot of people hanging out on SO are "considering a career move".
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I thought this was about leaving the field. as a senior majoring in CS I'm starting to feel like Tony Soprano.
2Change company is the only way to keep up with inflation.
2That’s my issue, the industry always tells you that you shouldn’t stay to long, do something else, whatever. I however have found the absolute perfect company, amazing atmosphere (great coworkers, I mean even the CEO knows every single person and what is going on in their life), benefits are awesome, work is interesting, 7 weeks of vacation time, company is 100% owned by the employees (as in you have to sell when you leave). I have been there for 6 years now (our average is 9 years) and the only reason I would want to move on is because it is just the thing you do.
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