"Western Values"

tbf france is really paying its dues, so is germany. Leopold the 3rd was an asshole. All africans should invade Belgium

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Same with American Conservatives.

The majority of Jews are at least partly Mizrahi, ie. of Middle-eastern or North African descent. IRC Jewish conservatives are more likely to be Mizrahi, where as Ashkenzi ('European') Jews are more likely to be left-wing.

Prime example: Ben Gvir, the far right minister of National Security, is of Iraqi/Kurdish descent. So if anything this whole thing is arguably Middle-Eastern Muslim values vs. Middle-Eastern Jewish values.

As you say, the Israeli far right aren't great on gay rights either. Certainly not ideological bed fellows of Dana International.

Like Iran

Yes.

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Sorry, but from that thread alone it seems (to me) that you believe it because it's popular in our most unpopular place called Fediverse. I don't bring it because I'm against you, but to provoke you to dig deeper and grow more clever than me in the end.

I feel like jewish occupation wasn't an occupation in our sense of the word when the already existing population of jews began to grow long before WW1, or WW2. It only became a problem when they were harrassed and harrasing when they grew, when they legitimized their state thanks to other states and their shareholders, when they became an autonomous state to fuck their neighbors over and expand.

You said somewhere in the thread that they could chose any other land. Do native americans have this priviledge to choose the land of their long gone natives? They fight for it in court. Jew nationalist picked them by Tora, and because it was a fucking desert no one cared about that much.

And do you really connect to one side more than another? These dirty throatcutters and rapists may seem to suck just as much as these cleen-shawed indiscriminate bombers. Both kiss their kids returning home, because they killed worthless untermensch. One got close-and-personal and another just dropped there a bomb.

I don't see anything of them being a party to side with. None of them are lefties. Just deranged maneaters.

And I want to be proven wrong after you study the subject, as I'm too stupid to get it, it seems. If you debunk it line by line, you can post it on .ml. I'm drunk and depressed, but I won't delete or edit this comment. Go on, if you'd like to remind me of it. I'm, as a non american, has too much trouble to sympathize with Hamas. To me, they are not representatives of the Gaza and the Bank, and are banking on terrorizing whoever their funders from bigger states find an (economical or ideological) enemy in.

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free press, migration, women rights...geez, one could go on for hours and there is literally NOTHING in syria, iran, gaza and their fellow hate states that is worth fighting for.

Everyone is capable of crimes, which is why when someone steals from me, I just kill the next person I see (and their entire ethnicity)

Wtf you are talking about?

Millions died in deconlization wars throughout the regions and you say "it is fine with them"!

But that's also misleading.

Further more they were not “exiled”:

Jews migrated to southern Europe from the Middle East voluntarily for opportunities in trade and commerce. Following Alexander the Great’s conquests, Jews migrated to Greek settlements in the Eastern Mediterranean, spurred on by economic opportunities. Jewish economic migration to southern Europe is also believed to have occurred during the Roman period.

This is sort of disingenuous because even your own article talks about many other reasons for the migrations that you're leaving out.

Jews left ancient Israel for a number of causes, including a number of push and pull factors. More Jews moved into these communities as a result of wars, persecution, unrest, and for opportunities in trade and commerce.

In 63 BCE, the Siege of Jerusalem saw the Roman Republic conquer Judea, and thousands of Jewish prisoners of war were brought to Rome as slaves. After gaining their freedom, they settled permanently in Rome as traders.[64] It is likely that there was an additional influx of Jewish slaves taken to southern Europe by Roman forces after the capture of Jerusalem by the forces of Herod the Great with assistance from Roman forces in 37 BCE. It is known that Jewish war captives were sold into slavery after the suppression of a minor Jewish revolt in 53 BCE, and some were probably taken to southern Europe.[65]

The first and second centuries CE saw a series of unsuccessful large-scale Jewish revolts against Rome. The Roman suppression of these revolts led to wide-scale destruction, a very high toll of life and enslavement. The First Jewish-Roman War (66–73 CE) resulted in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple. Two generations later, the Bar Kokhba Revolt (132–136 CE) erupted. Judea's countryside was devastated, and many were killed, displaced or sold into slavery.[69][70][71][72] Jerusalem was rebuilt as a Roman colony under the name of Aelia Capitolina, and the province of Judea was renamed Syria Palaestina.[73][74] Jews were prohibited from entering the city on pain of death. Jewish presence in the region significantly dwindled after the failure of the Bar Kokhba revolt.[75]

With their national aspirations crushed and widespread devastation in Judea, despondent Jews migrated out of Judea in the aftermath of both revolts, and many settled in southern Europe. In contrast to the earlier Assyrian and Babylonian captivities, the movement was by no means a singular, centralized event, and a Jewish diaspora had already been established before.

During both of these rebellions, many Jews were captured and sold into slavery by the Romans. According to the Jewish historian Josephus, 97,000 Jews were sold as slaves in the aftermath of the first revolt.[76] In one occasion, Vespasian reportedly ordered 6,000 Jewish prisoners of war from Galilee to work on the Isthmus of Corinth in Greece.[77] Jewish slaves and their children eventually gained their freedom and joined local free Jewish communities.[78]

Jews migrated at various times throughout their history, either through direct exile or religious persecution that resulted in migrations. Some notable events are these:

The Assyrian captivity (or the Assyrian exile) is the period in the history of ancient Israel and Judah during which several thousand Israelites from the Kingdom of Israel were forcibly relocated by the Neo-Assyrian Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_captivity

Archaeological studies have revealed that, although the city of Jerusalem was utterly destroyed, other parts of Judah continued to be inhabited during the period of the exile. Most of the exiled did not return to their homeland, instead travelling westward and northward. Many settled in what is now northern Israel, Lebanon, and Syria. The Iraqi Jewish, Persian Jewish, Georgian Jewish, and Bukharan Jewish communities are believed to derive their ancestry in large part from these exiles; these communities have now largely immigrated to Israel.[6][7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity

The Temple was on the site of what today is the Dome of the Rock. The gates led out close to Al-Aqsa Mosque (which came much later).[32] Although Jews continued to inhabit the destroyed city, Emperor Hadrian established a new city called Aelia Capitolina. At the end of the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 CE, many of the Jewish communities were massacred and Jews were banned from living inside Jerusalem.[28] A pagan Roman temple was set up on the former site of Herod's Temple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple#Destruction

There were events such as these of compulsory migrations along with voluntary ones motivated by religious persecution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora

The genetics thing is more or less true implying there was still a continuity of people in the region, although Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Christians are still closer genetically to the Jewish diaspora than Palestinian Arabs, who seem to see themselves as culturally and ethnically distinct from Jews (and vice versa), despite all evidence to the contrary.

All Jewish groups were found to be genetically closer to each other than to Palestinians and Muslim Kurds. Kurdish, North African Sephardi, and Iraqi Jews were found to be genetically indistinguishable while slightly but significantly differing from Ashkenazi Jews. In relation to the region of the Fertile Crescent, the same study noted; "In comparison with data available from other relevant populations in the region, Jews were found to be more closely related to groups in the north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks, and Armenians) than to their Arab neighbors", which the authors suggested was due to migration and admixture from the Arabian Peninsula into certain current Arabic-speaking populations during the period of Islamic expansion.[30]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Paternal_line

I guess the question is whether Jews and Palestinians can reconcile things based on their shared history and genetic grounds following Arabization. I'm definitely not saying Palestinians have no right to those lands either, but the current situation most definitely is in part the result of colonization of the Jews/Palestinians at various points throughout their history. So I still feel it's odd to call them colonizers depending on how far back your lens of history goes.

Does that mean people should be slaughtering each other? No, absolutely not. I'll read up on Tantura.

No. Stealing someone's land by killing their family and then stealing their house is colonialism.

You conveniently forgot to mention the israelis doing that.

White European Jews started colonising in early 1900s, before the first world war.

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You mean, returning home to the place they were kicked out of by the ruling party? The place they were ethnically cleansed from? Not quite and attempting to rewrite history doesn't make it true.

The Arabs living under British mandate were told by their Arab 'brothers' to get out during the war they started when Israel was granted statehood. Then they lost the war. That doesn't make it Israel's fault those 5 countries lost and couldn't fulfill their promises.

900,000 Jews were forced out of their homes by those Arab countries. How about they return that land and property? Then Israel could consider returning something to the lesser number of people who got the boot in the Nakba? You want to talk about stealing homes, why aren't you advocating for the Jews to get their homes back too? More of them were displaced after all.

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Not relevant to my comment.

Bruh, even in the Torah, Israel took Palestine by Military force, and have always been "occupiers" of land that wasn't originally theirs.

Fucking legend.

Holy Based

no.

in muslim countries, right?