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I am working to decommission a windows server, which is currently using 500gb ram, and i have moved all functions to a different application, same purpose and very similar underlying methodology... 32gb of ram on linux. it's crazy how much bloat windows admins are willing to accept.
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Can I run WoW on Linux?
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Yup, absolutely. I use Bottles to manage mine, and run it with ProtonGE. You can also use Lutris, but I recommend not using their auto-installer and setting it up yourself. The auto-installer is an old, broken community one.
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You can download the scripts and edit them, I do that from time to time.
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It is possible, you'll need some extra application though. I believe Lutris. Perhaps there are other ways, never tried wow on Linux.
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I think it’s easier to VM an Apple device and run it from there lol
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My hope is that with the end of Windows 10 coming up, laptops with 7th generation CPUs will become really cheap, such as ThinkPad P51 and P71. They are a decent budget choice < 1k USD/EUR already, but might drop way under 500 with top specs.
It's not like they are useless, but the market for Linux users should be satiated quickly once a selling panic sets in.
For most use cases, including backend development, they'll be good enough for many years to come. tbh, I'm still happy with my i5-2500 from 2011 and 16 GB RAM, and that is with local DB, application server, IDE and everything running locally.
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They already are. Last year I bought a 7700k with gtx1080 for 250, and bought a similar 8600k with gtx1080 for the same price around christmas. Those things run everything we throw at it, running Linux.
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When that happens, I can finally retire my Thinkpad x200 laptops which serve as print servers and diagnostic software VM hosts. One can never have too many Linux laptops
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One must build Beowulf cluster of used PCs/laptops
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Part of growing up dirt-poor is making use of any hardware possible. I excel so much at that skill now thanks to all the open source projects out there (the WM, DEs, distributions, TUIs, ...). I can really squeeze a lot from a tiny host & having this mentality as a dev now is some times appreciated 😄.
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Some times. :/
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I have a laptop with 4gb ram that i've been using kde plasma on and fairly frequently it just freezes or I have to restart because I had like 6 tabs open in firefox
Although I don't remember having that problem as much when I was on xfce, but I also might not have been using it as heavily then
I've never had a similar problem with chrome on chromeos with the same amount of ram, I think chrome+chromeos might be more aggressive with unloading tabs
Sometimes it does actually kill firefox but sometimes it just becomes very slow (1-2 seconds per frame) or freezes entirely for several minutes when out of memory. Might be just because the swap is really slow, but there's just 2gb of that, why would it freeze for several minutes? (One time this was happening was when I was trying to compile llvm on two threads, I ended up having to temporarily kill the desktop environment to save ram)
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As someone who was forced to start using Windows again after ten years after ten years of exclusively running Linux: Why is it like this? Everything is so crappy and slow!
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Its logging half your shit, and trying to advertise to you anywhere it can! Get used to it...
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I'm dual booting on my laptop cuz I need windows for something, but 8gb ram is too much on Linux and the same amount of ram is too little on windows, Like I have 170 processes and 6gb ram usage at idle with my apps running in background, very poor memory management.
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Linux aint perfect either. Look at the memory usage of most modern "fully featured" distros. They're using damn near as much at idle as windows is. Same thing going back 10 years in time.
The key is with windows you get one windows, and maybe some tweaks. With linux you could go with a hyper minimal DE with not much in the way of shiny features and go a whole lot further.
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I've never seen a distro take more than 2gb RAM ootb (ubuntu gnome and kde are probably the "heavy" contenders), excluding precached files. In either case, Windows or Linux, you lose big time the moment you launch a web browser.
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Not prefect, but c'mon. You can run Linux+GUI in a potato, but even KDE Plasma is not nearly close to Windows in RAM/CPU usage (excepting misconfigurations of baloo).
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I switched to KDE Neon lately and holy fuck does it chug down my battery in a few hours time (though most of the consumption is from Firefox so can't blame it completely on the distro)
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Linux also uses a lot of ram for disk caching, it's flagged as a form of available memory so there's no performance overheard for this.
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Partially because Defender does a lot of unnecessary work. Partially because Explorer now has Chromium under the hood of many elements.
Also Copilot. Not even joking. Having so many copilot buttons in apps is not an issue. The issue is to actually try using it. Even a light conversion crashes both the desktop an Android clients too often. At this point I would rather have those resources consumed by actual AI running locally than on a crappy frontend. Pathetic.
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windows 11 straight up requires 16gb of ram now.
it idles at almost 8 (!!!) fucking gigabytes for some stupid reason.
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It's using the unused RAM for caching so it can be slower faster
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it swaps like hell with 8gb of ram, they truly optimize it to be as slow as possible.
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Im so old, but 8 gb still seems like such a large amount of ram when I think of it briefly. And peeps out there with 100 gb lol. But yeah my win11 laptop that has 64 gb, it's slower than my 10 year old amd fx desktop mint with 20 gb. By a lot.
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it is! its just windows 11 that's very ram hungry.
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It's an old meme but it checks out
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Not if you have Firefox open. Three YouTube tabs and my 4GB Pi5 is swapping so hard it takes forever to move the mouse anywhere.
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Firefox fixed its memory hog problem for a bit after 2016 or so and immediately got to work on how to get just as bad again.
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microSD or NVMe?
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Well, Windows as such don't need more RAM as some Linux distros, What is wasting the most RAM is all the telemetries, services not needed, trials, adware and other crap which Windows has by default when you buy it with a new PC. Windows need average users because of this capables to fix it, not needed in Linux. That is the difference. A gutted Windows is pretty fast, without all the trash which is loaded on boot. Eg,only diseable the hybernation service reduce a big part of the RAM, because it make duplicates of all open apps as temporary files, to load these on the next startup. same with the index service to find files somewhat faster, which waste memory to write any change to the index, not really needed in mdern PC and less with an SSD. Only diseabling this 2 services can increase the speed and respond more than 50%.
But the normal user don't do it and only claimes that Windows becomes slower and slower, because it is more and more filled with temp and trash files. That is the problem with Windows, because MS sells you a car, but by default with a huge caravan which you don't need, that must tow.
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Man my Linux system is so great, I spend all my time on it to talk about Linux. It’s so great I spend all my time to talk about how great it is
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You lost? This is a Linux community, what are we supposed to talk about? Your mom?
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Honestly I didnt get it until I switched, but its fun to talk about. I was never really that interested in my operating system before switching, but now I'm reading a book on how linux works and genuinely enjoying learning from all these online linux communities.
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Windows only mfs so used to being different levels of inconvenienced we can't make a post showing appreciation without coming off as bragging
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better than talking about how bad Windows is? It's so frustrating some organization still force me to use it.
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Well, to be honest, I went a little overboard and installed Cinnamon on Arch. My girly setup with 4gb can no longer do push-ups with one finger.
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I wish I could go one day on Lemmy without the Linux bros jumping into every community
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You could try not to use Lemmy for one day. It'll be okay.
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Without Linux folk you wouldn't have Lemmy. Nobody's forcing You to switch, you can pay as much attention to Linux posts as any other shit you're not interested in (that is, none) rather than making it a whole thing.
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Without Linux folk you wouldn't have Lemmy
That’s the kinda arrogance that causes me to hate Linux bros. You guys are just like every other kind of bro.
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Well... Not exactly, Linux doesn't handle low RAM very well. Usually the system just crashes if you open too much stuff
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It will crash if you max out your ram and have 0 swap, in the same way your windows system will crash if you have 0 page file.
In recent years its become really trendy to just not use swap on linux and it pisses me off to no end. Its a horrible configuration all to save like 1% of your diskspace.
edit: Also, most distros out of the box do use significantly less than windows. My debian testing xfce install that I just did here a few days ago uses 700mb on a cold boot.
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I mean
If you try to open modern JS bloated websites that reinvent scrolling in multiple tabs dont expect to have good performance
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what is this? If something, it is low RAM that Linux handles extremely well ?!?
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it doesnt crash ime, but it does choke up a lot when ram is full.
much harder to get to that point on linux tho.
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I actually just switched from a laptop with 4G of RAM this year. It had a spinny drive so it was a little slow, but I was really only using it to watch videos over the network. This was all very snappy once it booted. Opening Firefox was pretty painful and would cause swapping though.