No idiocy allowed

You mean to tell me North Korea isn’t a democracy?

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I don't know why, how or when did the FaScIsM Is lEfTiSt mUsSoLiNi wAs a lEfTiSt narrative get so popular but it is the stupidest shit I've ever heard.

Nazism was a right wing movement of Christian Nationalists

National socialists that only wanted socialism for their true Christian evangelical Germans. And no one else. Catholics sort of stood up to them, which is why we have vague references to religious institutions resisting nazis. But yeah Christians went balls deep almost immediately into being nazis.

So many people throughout the world keep getting tricked by someone taking advantage of the "people's/workers/democracy" ideology only to use it to enrich themselves and bring death and destruction to their enemies, how does this keep happening?

The only way I know to protect myself against it is to not give a shit what people call themselves. I've abandoned all interest in labels, and instead just focus on pragmatic good. Are you a People's Socialist Worker's Party? That's nice, I just want better wages and living conditions, what are you actually doing to achieve that? Oh you're not, you're just claiming you are while doing the exact opposite? Why does everyone keep getting fooled by this?

Hey a PugJesus political post I can upvote. Nice.

Explanation: The Nazis were, formally, the National Socialist German Workers' Party. Some people take this to mean that the Nazis were, in some meaningful way, 'left' or socialist.

The truth is that they were neither. The name was made to appeal to the working-class by feigning interest in workers' issues, but the Nazis drew overwhelmingly from, and addressed the pet issues of, the disaffected middle class. While there were less capitalist-friendly factions in the party (notably, the working-class SA and the Strasserists), they were not what we would recognize as left-wing, instead representing a distinctly reactionary take on opposition to capitalism more in-line with Catholic conservatives expressing resentment of the bourgeoisie in the 19th century.

Those less-capitalist-friendly factions were suppressed in favor of Hitler's alliance with land magnates and capitalists in 1934, and so became moot in any case.

All completely correct, but compared to today's Nazis, Hitler's NSDAP still had some socialist elements. Not that this was much more than propaganda, but in the Third Reich there were indeed housing estates and holiday resorts for workers, state job creation measures such as the massive expansion of motorways (mainly needed for war purposes, of course) and the like.
Of course, the NSDAP was anything but a party concerned with the interests of the population, but even the few "socialist" measures imposed by Hitler's regime have been completely abandoned by today's Nazis.
What I mean is that today's Nazis, especially the US variety, are actually almost worse because they are purely neo-capitalist fascists - in this sense, they can really only be called Nazis (National Socialists) to emphasize their ideological proximity to the inhuman Hitler regime - but there are actually no socialist elements left in their political programs whatsoever, not even a hint (same goes for the AfD, a unfortunately quite prominent neo-nazi party in today's Germany).
Besides all the hate and racism, one thing they still have in common to this day is that they always pretend to be "defending" the interests of the working class or socially disadvantaged groups (if they fit their heinous racial ideology, of course) - but today that's even less true than it was in Hitler's day.
- This is actually really comforting.
  Fascism would probably have a harder time taking deep roots because it offers less than fucking Nazis.
  It’s hopium but I’ll take it.
- The Nazis literally did the first mass privatization of public services and dismantled social services in germany when they took power, I wouldn't say they had some socialist elements.
  Even the elements they brought in, that people normally call socialist, but are just social-democrat creations, was because of the appeasement for the middle class, not the lower class.
  Itally did it too in the 20s, here's a source for the german part: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-0289.2009.00473.x .
- Yeah, and the GOP also has some socialist elements by virtue signaling to the "working class".
- all correct. but to be fair: not even the left of that time actually cared about the working class.
  the ideologically motivated for sure, pretty sure you would have found them on the extreme right too - somewhere. but the regimes, which sprung out of any ideology of that time cared nothing than in propaganda for working people and the weak.
  nowadays it is difficult as well, to find any social security better than lip service and improvement of statistics.
- Die Heimat and III. Weg both still call for Hitlerite Kraft durch Freude and other programs solely benefiting the "ethnic German worker".

Per definition anything bad that happens under the name socialism isn't socialism. It's the only ideology that has no downsides!

tbf yes normally there is a lot of special pleading around here but in this case the nazi's were socialists in the same way the democratic republic of north korea is a democracy
- Well, also the USSR and China weren't/aren't communist, they were/are state/feudal capitalist.
No it truly is a name that doesn't match. Hitler hated it but the party was already formed. If it helps, put all the emphasis on NATIONAL.
When you butcher the definition of socialism, it’s easy to find downsides. Socialism has downsides, but when you’re arguing with somebody on the right, they generally have no idea what the definition is. So all the downsides they bring up have nothing to do with socialism.
Nah, I mean, when decentralized workers' control in Anarchist Catalonia led to many local workers' councils prioritizing their own desires over the war effort even in the face of a literal fascist victory, that's a pretty distinct and socialist downside, for example.
But when a bunch of ghouls slap a coat of red paint or a few words on an ideology, that ain't enough to qualify as socialist.
- "Decentralized workers' control" it was roving gangs and militias.
  During the first weeks of the war, courts of law were replaced by revolutionary tribunals and extrajudicial killings by militants and vigilantes soon followed:
  Everybody created his own justice and administered it himself...Some used to call this 'taking a person for a ride' [paseo] but I maintain that it was justice administered directly by the people in the complete absence of the regular judicial bodies.
  During the initial fighting several thousand individuals were executed by anarchist and socialist militants based on their assumed political allegiance and social class:
  We do not wish to deny that the nineteenth of July brought with it an overflowing of passions and abuses, a natural phenomenon of the transfer of power from the hands of privileged to the hands of the people. It is possible that our victory resulted in the death by violence of four or five thousand inhabitants of Catalonia who were listed as rightists and were linked to political or ecclesiastical reaction.
  They also fit squarely in the "bunch of ghouls" category.
- That's clearly not their fault, but everyone else's