EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

For fuck sake, there are bigger problems than trying to read the memes I send to my mates. What’s next ? Install a camera in the toilet to be sure you pee correctly?

tbf society would be noticeably better if people accepted that toilet seat lid down when flushing is the only correct option
- the CULTURAL MARXISTS want to STEAL YOUR COUNTRY by allowing TRANSGENDER MIGRANTS to DESTROY OUR TRADITION of leaving the lID UP when FHUSHING we must PROTECT OUR COUNTRYby installing cameras in th e toilet to SAVETHINK OF THE CHILDREN covefef
America is on its way to doing that. Because MAGA want to cock check every person going into a bathroom now.
Well, do you have to hide something? Like unregulated peeing

Looks like they will be going after providers, so plebs will need to lean into decentralized products even harder.

They never were able to defeat BitTorrent for a good reason. Decentralized approach is the only way to fight back against these clown regimes

No way this passes. If it does I imagine WhatsApp will withdraw from the market and people will hop to session/matrix/element/signal or jailbreak.
- they failed ton of times but it only takes once for them to win. i don't see how this does not pass a some point. it is a question of when imho
  Faceberg will comply also, why wouldnt he, he makes money either way.

At this point I'm all in for the collapse of modern society just for the fact that governments around the world are ruining it. Like, is the convenience of technology really that worth it when it's constantly being used against us?

At the end of the day, I'd rather read a newspaper than risk getting my identity stolen because I had to provide an ID to read an article about the war in Ukraine. And I'd rather write a letter or use a landline than risk my private messages getting leaked all over the internet because the government wanted a centralized database of all our messages.

Every phone call in the United States, and most likely elsewhere, is recorded by NSA surveillance systems, transcribed, and kept indefinitely by the NSA. Did you forget what Snowden showed? And this was back in the mid 2010s.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/03/18/291165247/report-nsa-can-record-store-phone-conversations-of-whole-countries
- Bro is talking US in an EU thread 💀
Who's gonna print your newspaper when all society has broken down?
But yeah, fuck this authoritarian bullshit.
Shall I recommend a movie called Captive State
I remember about a year ago people panned “accelerationists” myself included. Now I’m not so sure they don’t have a good idea….

Okay here ya go:

0HVPkX48]CZgwlodm1VXzbFEaH8CfTmyewp7uTLDJ0Qc0v]9vOqOkgE9Jyxi]MA3EuKi9FFDVyszvfHalqXnDsAXJ8kzXpzKFZF)rU5EAGGOECin]DWwdgBLTsObag74Z]TXufBRYMDnlosL3aQwTO1hMA!

Scan deez nuts

Decrypt it you say? Oh no no no, its just a randomly generated password I sent to my friend because I want to share an account, totally is not a ciphertext, don't worry 😉

From that point we have zero trust to any provider and can believe only in selfhost xmpp,matrix,irc

The hardest part is the social aspect.
It was like pulling teeth to get my immediate family on Signal as it stands and I had to drop many contacts who refused to move.
How do we go forward?
- Seriously. Even my more paranoid, conspiracy-prone family have such mediocre tech literacy that getting them on Signal requires an in-person visit, and something like being off Windows 11 and trying Linux, even Mint, is beyond the pale.
  FB has the Boomers locked in for the rest of their lives. But until age verification blows a hole in the walled gardens, it's the singular mass of users that keeps those platforms as anchors.
  IMO, train the kids. Help them before they F their lives up. It's too late to help some people.
- Not decentralised, but the best option out there that "just works" IMO. I'm also pushing for signal, like people has to be told they can use both ABC-Crap-messenger and Signal...

That will put many companies and individuals at risk - lawyers, doctors, business owners. Hopefully it won’t happen and the people can join to fight together.

But what about the age verification that is about to happen in EU. The open source project in GitHub is just a reference and every country will implement it however they want. Even if it’s zero proof knowledge it doesn’t mean it would be bidirectional ZPK. It doesn’t mean the app won’t collect any information about the websites you visit, your email info or ip. We should be able to do something

Is there anything that we can do to fight back? We were able to stop the killing of videogames, can't we do the same for it freedom?

I mean the only reason it hasn't passed yet (it was originally proposed in 2022) is because there has been quite a bit of opposition.
Maybe start here: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/#WhatYouCanDo

Well sheeeeeeeeeeeit, why not outlaw HTTPS while you're at it?

Not at all! HTTPS is good & safe - you just need to allow the government to decrypt all of it somewhere along the way.
And yea, I know it doesn't make sense.

I'm confused. Even WA has full encryptrion nowadays, which means they themselves don't know what's in the messages. How is this even supposed to work?

Closed source software from a notoriously corrupt company and it's encryption keys are not ever in users' control. You should assume apps like that are already backdoored. Matrix/XMPP/Briar/SimpleX is probably the way to go. Either that or manage your own encryption methods, but take into account other info such as your contacts list can also be used against you.
WA has full encryptrion nowadays
Can anyone confirm this? I thought it was e2e but meta sill could read content since they had permission to monitor the app on the device including contents.

How they would scan what I wrote on toilet paper with my ass ? My ass speaks secret alien language.