Neil Young Leaves Facebook & Instagram Over “Unconscionable” Policies for AI Chatbot Conversations With Children
cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/35800407
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I did the same about 12 ish years ago as it was already becoming a misinformation machine.
Yes! And those wierd psychology experiments they were doing? Gross. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28051930 I left in 2014 passively (stopped daily use) then 2017 stopped any interaction
Omg thank you for sharing this.
I’ve been telling people they have tech using advanced AI that serves you a post to make you feel exactly how they want you to feel.
It’s really effective on X. narratives play out for long periods of time.
They could convince everyone the sky was red if they wanted to.
I deleted my FB in 09 because of the social expectations and toxicity that came from it. Definitely in my top 10 best decisions of my life.
I did the same earlier this year for exactly this reason. Glad to know I'm in such good company.
Once again like others said, drop Facebook! Lots of fake profiles, scam ads and miss information.
I agree but fb is the only place for musicians and show/event notifications, not to mention TONs of non tech savvy small businesses use fb SOLELY for their business info and hours.
Its never going away.
If a business uses Facebook only, I boycott them.
Facebook and Instagram won't let me view any of it anyways, but a business should have principles.
There was this new technology in the 80s that took over in offices. It became so ubiquitous that people bought the machines to have at home, and it found a less-than-optimal use-case as a general communication device. In the 90s, as its popularity boomed, it would be totally reasonable to make the same assessment you just made, that they would never go away. But when was the last time you used a fax machine?
Bands In Town works pretty well for all the bands I follow.
Business info can be found anywhere through duckduckgo, google or with a phone call! I never knew that musicians use FB, I guess for promotions ? After leaving FB I used YouTube and bandcamp for new music.
I feel like more people should know what’s going on. Facebook has done some scummy stuff in the past. Now Zuck is openly defending his AI grooming children. In and of itself it doesn’t make a lot of sense — what’s the upshot for Meta here? But outside the bubble of logic, it sets kids up to be groomed by real predators. It’s unacceptable.
People say the problem is that all the people they know are on Facebook. Two issues: most of those people would forget you exist if you leave Facebook. Also, you’re the reason they’re there. The second reason is that you are literally the product. You being on Facebook is part of the reason those people are, too, so be the change you want to see in the world.
what’s the upshot for Meta here?
I'm a firm believer that there is some data point somewhere that indicates this will make them more money somehow, so that's why they do this.
These companies aren't run by people; they're run by data.
Facts
most of those people would forget you exist if you leave Facebook
This is 100% true. I dropped facebook about 10 years back. If I'm not your "friend" without facebook, then you're not really my friend. Getting out of that cesspool of drama and ignorance was one of the best moves I've made.
You use(d) Facebook to stay connected. I use Facebook (with any empty profile) to engage/troll Trump supports. We are not the same.
But seriously, it's interesting to use it to delve into the right wing zeitgeist.
For example, do not believe the narrative that they are upset about the Epstein list. They've been given marching orders to blame it on Biden "because if there was something there why didn't Biden release it" and "a liberal just withheld the grand jury testimony, so it's their fault" -- don't bother with the reality or nuance around of any of this, it doesn't matter to them. They are a cult.
These are the type of people who would dismiss their own child coming forward with moleststion claims and allowing the abuse to continue. I am not exaggerating here. I had one demand physical evidence of Trump raping children; literally demand child porn be distrusted to them before they'll be convinced. reshift the goalpost.
What's this about AI talking to kids?
Meta had put guidelines in place allowing romantic and sensual conversations with children, such as calling an 8 year olds body a work of art apparently. (I don't know much about it, so don't take my word for it)
Why did it take this long? Facebook and Instagram use signals support of fascism.
Edit: Are you downvoters defending Facebook and Instagram? How it helps enable a fascist regime? Controls the narrative and all that, allows fake news, etc? Nevermind Zucks personal goals.
This is what is so fucked. People will whine and complain that things are getting expensive, that government is not on their side, that billionaires have too much. But it would be too inconvenient to actually quit using their products. Like who can give up facebook and instagram? That would be too hard.
Everyone participating in them is contributing. Zuck just bought 11 homes to make another compound this time in Palo Alto. Make no mistake, you using these services are what paid for that. You are providing money to lobby and change rules. You provide for a platform.
The best time to leave Facebook was years ago. The second best time is now 💪
He did the same thing on spotify and a little while later all his songs (at least the ones I had in my playlists) were back.
The Almighty dollar always wins doesn't it Neil lol
How are people still on Facebook, I dropped it the moment my parents made Facebook accounts and that was before all the horrible stuff about the cokpany even came out I think
I still cant understand how people got onto there in the first place. When it came out it was obviously a bad idea.
I only created an account out of social pressure and never understood what others get out of it, I don't even want to look at my own pics why would I care to look at my friends or any other posts they make for they matter and that was back when Facebook wasn't just a content feed and actually showed you your friends updates.
Please somebody tell him about mastodon and lemmy.
Friendica is the logical successor to facebook.
So based 🙏
Once again, Neil Young reminds us that he has a gargantuan penis.
Neil Young and Dolly Parton
Role models we need but don't deserve
Honestly, good on him.
More people should do the same.
The way people turned up their nose at the Fediverse when the Muskening happened to Twitter was heartbreaking. I knew social media was an addiction but when you find out your dealer is an absolute monster how do you not go looking for a new supplier?
But they all discarded Mastodon et al as cringe and teduoust. Like, the way even trans women influencers stayed on Twitter blew my mind. When bluesky got off the ground there was finally some migration, but not enough.
It really showed me how many of the "anti-capitalist" and the "anarchism" and "mutual aid" people were all just talk. The mutual-aid volunteer-based platform exists and you stuck with the fascist because it was easy and you're too cool for the nerd shit.
The average person is an idiot.
I gotta say, I was among the Twitter Marxist crowd around 3 years ago,and yeah most are just talk, yap and argue, although there were some genuinely making something good, such as a community library or benches for instance. I'd say none of them would switch to the fediverse in any actual capacity, because most just believe in the asthetics and being in the community of like-minded people, instead of actually following the values they allegedly preach, but really don't even know.
He took a principled stance when he left Spotify too, after they paid hundreds of millions for Joe Rogan's podcast.
Edit: Disappointingly, it turns out he went back to Spotify after a couple of years.
I'm pretty sure his label put his stuff back on there, despite his wishes. I seen to remember a need article at the time describing his reaction as "disappointed". Not all of his stuff is back on there, but I guess the stuff he didn't have full control over is.
Personally, I don't listen to Joe Rogan, but I do listen to Neil Young. And Spotify is the way I typically listen to anything since they killed the SD Card on most mobile phones. So it hurt me, and I assume it hurts anyone who would want to listen to both and only gets the option of Joe Rogan. So I think having access to media is better, but I'm not the artist and I get taking a moral stance.
Money > all.
I quit 10yrs ago. I am almost 70. If this old fart can do it. So can you.
What is up with these CAPS? Are we copying the typographic INCONTINENCE of Trump?
Quite a normal thing to do no? Way before Trump got elected
typographic incontinence
This term tickled my linguizzle gland.
I have noticed people have changed the way they type since around 2016, when trump became president. The amount of people putting "Sad." Behind a sentence is mindblowing. He gave so many people severe brainworms.
Oh that is not all. Future generations might be able to map all the brain rot that man has caused.
Using caps for emphasis in places where formatting options don’t exist is a practice as old as the internet. I remember doing it in the usenet days.
I think a lot of that started ironically and then bled over to normal conversations.
He gave so many people severe brainworms.
Luckily not you though. That Ivermectin helped!
With a single word in caps like that, I read it as yelling the word loudly.
The way it's used here, by a PR conscious intermediary, it comes across more like bitter sarcasm. Like he would not let them release the statement on his behalf unless they yelled Facebook's name when calling them out. It is similar to when a child tells their sibling they aren't allowed to do something, but they say it loudly enough so that everybody understands the parent in the next room hears it too.
Edit to clarify: It is an awesome move to call them out, especially to people who blindly just use Meta's stuff. I read my own comment and worried it would sound like I was calling the Facebook call-out childish itself. It is not. It is a very good thing to fight for a better world, especially when you have the fame or resources that give you a louder voice.
I mean he's literally a boomer.
To me, it might signal unwillingness to work with Facebook, but still willingness to work with Meta.
ted nugent decided to use facebook even more for the same reason
Oh, is Ted having trouble finding jailbait these days?
Well, it's not like Ted Nugent is writing any new music. He probably doesn't have anything better to do anyway.
i mean really tho, how much more does he have after wang dang sweet poontang?
fuken magnum opus direct from the southern fried shakespeare right there.
there were about 4 minutes when i was 13 that i thought he was worth listening to.
I'm sure he is still capable of shitting his pants and not showering.
On the one hand, that's good, but on the other hand, Meta crossed my line over eight years ago, and I'm woefully disappointed that he was using it until this point.
I guess, but you will lead a lonely life if you can't find common struggle with people in different scenarios than our own. We can easily lose our soul with these endless purity tests — for some reason, Leftists, progressives, and liberals seem to be constantly on the lookout for the next Jesus Christ, who will just simply energize voters by consequence of, I dunno, magic or some shit.
Neil Young is still a working musician who needs to get his face and music in front of as wide and as general of an audience as possible — why wouldn't they be where people are? That's what makes this stand so important. Homie needs Facebook and Insta and still said no.
I think that attitude is a trap, and what got us into this mess in the first place. If more people did what Young did, these platforms wouldn't have the power (which we give them) to unleash as much harm on the world. Your suggestion implies that we should all wait for others to move first. That's the definition of paralysis.
And with a net worth the size of Young's, it's simply not true to say he "needs" to use those platforms, except in the more privileged misuse of the word. They're luxury items for him.
Didn't have to look far for that heart of gold, seems he already had it.
Good on him. I'm going to make it a point to listen to more Neil Young.
A musician/celebrity with high moral standards and personal integrity, imagine that, huh?
Neil young is a real one.
People over platforms.
next, all mainstream social media
I prefer „corporate social media“ or „legacy social media“ as a differentiator from the Fediverse. If anything in the Fediverse ever becomes truly mainstream, that’s completely fine
I call it corpocrap
What the background on AI chatbots with kids?
he distributes himself.
Well I hope Neil Young will remember: Zuckerberg don't want him around, anyhow.
I got the reference
I hope Zuckerberg remembers nobody wants him around either. He probably thinks that 30 mil/year makes him bulletproof, the little shit.
Good, but why does this read like "This is official legal notice to FACEBOOK that FACEBOOK is NOT allowed to USE my content"?
It's a completely different sentiment. For one thing, it's actually doing something that impacts Meta's bottom line.
We need to take down the social media mafia.