Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 21st September 2025

Side note: The way I've seen clanker used has been for the AIs themselves, not their users. I've mostly seen the term in the context of star wars memers eager to put their anti-droid memes and jokes to IRL usage.

So this looks and sounds 100% AI generated, but

Possible performance idea: A "kata of doubt," mixing martial arts stances with expressions of deep confusion.

might be the first time AI slop made me laugh (not out loud, but still)

Forgive my stupidity, but I don't know what this means. Or it's referencing something I don't know.

Wonder if, esp considering the DHH situations this is sort of a nazi bar style takeover. Where the people who don't want to make a fuss let in the nice but iffy people who then go mask off, and let the rest in. (The thing the far right accused the left of doing, in a bit of projections). But I know nothing about the politics of anybody involved, could also just be a regular hostile takeover.

(Doesn't feel like one just looking at the rubycentral bsky account for a second though. They do have an amazing spin on it. It was to protect against supply chain attacks (also a link to an email article of them, which just feels weird)).

Slack CEO responded there that it was all a "billing mistake" and that they'll do better in the future and people are having none of it.

A rare orange site W, surprisingly heartwarming.

I’m a bit split on this one

on the one hand, the post as first posted had a lot of “victimised” language (“omg slack is extorting us”) and frankly that felt like bait - esp as many, many volunteer-type orgs that have had similar slack setups have been taking a hammer for months now (as I posted before, a local ZA tech setup was one, and more recently that big k8s one too). there’s enough precedent here that expecting slack to have behaved otherwise (even “honourably”) seems to me to have been almost foolish

on the other, slack 100% only took action once this did hit hype and enough eyeballs, and only reacted since it was an embarrassment

but…yeah. slack hasn’t been a good option for public use for literally years now :|

Nah, its completely on-topic - "bad tech hurting people" has become a major theme of our current times, a bad glucose monitor hurting diabetics is completely expected

That reminds me I still need to wipe my reddit an twitter archives. Wonder if wiping it all in one go would cause more trouble for them, or if deleting it slowly (or overwriting with random words in the case of reddit) causes more changes in the datasets and messes with them more like that.

Have they ever discussed how much they take on average?

Math competitions need to start assigning problems that require counting the letters in fruit names.

Also accidentally posted in an old thread:

Hot take: If a text extruder’s winning gold medals at your contest, that’s not a sign the text extruder’s good at something, that’s a sign your contest is worthless for determining skill.

It's because of research in the mid-80s leading to Moravec's paradox — sensorimotor stuff takes more neurons than basic maths — and Sharp's 1983 international release of the PC-1401, the first modern pocket computer, along with everybody suddenly learning about Piaget's research with children. By the end of the 80s, AI research had accepted that the difficulty with basic arithmetic tasks must be in learning simple circuitry which expresses those tasks; actually performing the arithmetic is easy, but discovering a working circuit can't be done without some sort of process that reduces intermediate circuits, so the effort must also be recursive in the sense that there are meta-circuits which also express those tasks. This seemed to line up with how children learn arithmetic: a child first learns to add by counting piles, then by abstracting to symbols, then by internalizing addition tables, and finally by specializing some brain structures to intuitively make leaps of addition. But sometimes these steps result in wrong intuition, and so a human-like brain-like computer will also sometimes be wrong about arithmetic too.

As usual, this is unproblematic when applied to understanding humans or computation, but not a reasonable basis for designing a product. Who would pay for wrong arithmetic when they could pay for a Sharp or Casio instead?

Bonus: Everybody in the industry knew how many transistors were in Casio and Sharp's products. Moravec's paradox can be numerically estimated. Moore's law gives an estimate for how many transistors can be fit onto a chip. This is why so much sci-fi of the 80s and 90s suggests that we will have a robotics breakthrough around 2020. We didn't actually get the breakthrough IMO; Moravec's paradox is mostly about kinematics and moving a robot around in the world, and we are still using the same kinematic paradigms from the 80s. But this is why bros think that scaling is so important.

Not sure if analog turing machines provide any new capabilities that digital TMs do, but I leave that question for the smarter people in the subject of theorethical computer science

The general idea among computer scientists is that analog TMs are not more powerful than digital TMs. The supposed advantage of an analog machine is that it can store real numbers that vary continuously while digital machines can only store discrete values, and a real number would require an infinite number of discrete values to simulate. However, each real number "stored" by an analog machine can only be measured up to a certain precision, due to noise, quantum effects, or just the fact that nothing is infinitely precise in real life. So, in any reasonable model of analog machines, a digital machine can simulate an analog value just fine by using enough precision.

There aren't many formal proofs that digital and analog are equivalent, since any such proof would depend on exactly how you model an analog machine. Here is one example.

Quantum computers are in fact (believed to be) more powerful than classical digital TMs in terms of efficiency, but the reasons for why they are more powerful are not easy to explain without a fair bit of math. This causes techbros to get some interesting ideas on what they think quantum computers are capable of. I've seen enough nonsense about quantum machine learning for a lifetime. Also, there is the issue of when practical quantum computers will be built.

this is one of those things that's, in a narrative sense, a great way to tell a story, while being completely untethered from fact/reality. and that's fine! stories have no obligation to be based in fact!

to put a very mild armchair analysis about it forward: it's playing on the definition of the conceptual "smart" computer, as it relates to human experience. there's been a couple of other things in recent history that I can think of that hit similar or related notes (M3GAN, the whole "omg the AI tricked us (and then the different species with a different neurotype and capability noticed it!)" arc in ST:DIS, the last few Mission Impossible films, etc). it's one of those ways in which art and stories tend to express "grappling with $x to make sense of it"

The idea that a smart computer will be worse at math (which makes sense from a storytelling perspective as a writer, because smart AI who also can do math super well is gonna be hard to write)

personally speaking, one of the ways about it that I find most jarring is when the fantastical vastly outweighs anything else purely for narrative reasons - so much so that it's a 4th-wallbreak for me ito what the story means to convey. I reflect on this somewhat regularly, as it's a rather cursed rabbithole that instances repeatedly: "is it my knowledge of this domain that's spoiling my enjoyment of this thing, or is the story simply badly written?" is the question that comes up, and it's surprisingly varied and complicated in its answering

on the whole I think it's often good/best to keep in mind that scifi is often an exploration and a pressure valve, but that it's also worth keeping an eye on how much it's a pressure valve. too much of the latter, and something(tm) is up

AGI: I'm not a superintelligence, I'm you.

This isn't an idea that I've heard of until you mentioned it, so it likely hasn't got much purchase in the public consciousness. (Intuitively speaking, a computer which sucks at maths isn't a good computer, let alone AGI material.)

it's kinda hilarious how close "steelmanning" (as practiced by some) already is to this, but probably not far enough to be usable for that purpose on its own

I think "making up a guy to get mad at" is already an idiom as is.

Pretty sure that's a strawman.

In collaboration with cryptocurrency outfits Coinbase, MetaMask, and the Ethereum foundation, Google also produced an extension that would integrate the cryptocurrency-oriented x402 protocol, allowing for AI-driven purchasing from crypto wallets.

what could possibly go wrong

In either case, the goal is to maintain an auditable trail that can be reexamined in cases of fraud.

Which is a thing that you only need to worry about if you use these types of agents.

Which in any case you can't, because

The protocol is built for a future in which AI agents routinely shop for products on customers’ behalf and engage in complex real-time interactions with retailers’ AI agents.

That thread gives me hope. A decade ago, a random internet discussion in which rationalist came up would probably mention "quirky Harry Potter fanfiction" with mixed reviews, whereas all the top comments on that thread are calling out the alt-right pipeline and the racism.

Nvidia and California College of the Arts Enter Into a Partnership

Oh, I'm sure the artists enrolling at the CCA are gonna be so happy to hear they've been betrayed

The collaboration with CCA is described in today’s announcement as aiming to “prepare a new generation of creatives to thrive at the intersection of art, design and emerging technologies.”

Hot take: There is no "intersection" between these three, because the "emerging technologies" in question are a techno-fascist ideology designed to destroy art for profit

Huh, I wonder who this Krauss guy is, haven't heard of him.

open wikipedia

entire subsection titled "Allegations of sexual misconduct"

close wikipedia

TIL Hank Green, the milquetoast BlueSky poster, also has some YouTube channel. How quaint.

I think every time I learn That Guy From BlueSky also has some other gig different from posting silly memes I lose some respect for them.

E.g. I thought Mark Cuban was just a dumb libertarian shitposter, but then it turned out he has a cuntillion dollars and also participated in a show unironically called "Shark Tank" that I still don't 100% believe was a real thing because by god

What's up with all the websites that tell me "you've reached the limit of free articles for the month" even though I've literally never entered that site before in my life. Stop gaslighting me you cunts.

Anyway, here's the archive

Is there already a word for "an industry which has removed itself from reality and will collapse when the public's suspension of disbelief fades away"?

Calling this just "a bubble" doesn't cut it anymore, they're just peddling sci-fi ideas now. (Metaverse was a bubble, and it was stupid as hell, but at least those headsets and the legless avatars existed.)

It’s a financial security threat, you see

But one of my hobbies is “oppositional reading” – deliberately interpreting novels counter to the obvious / intended reading.

Proceeds to just make new things up and misunderstand inconsequential aspects of things that were already there

“let me be really brave and unique: let's imagine culture is how the azadians (or veppers, or the affront, or even the gfcf…) see them. let's ignore the basic fact that this misconception is the main reason why culture's opponents, ultimately, lose. i am very intelligent.”

clueless and enthusiastic (often overly so), getting real into something but often at the lower end rungs

aiui the term it started its life as a description of people who’d get real into weapons, but only at the grade you can buy in mall mass retail. never dug into the history tho